Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
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Gerry SA

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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2013, 11:04:53 PM »

I've got a couple points on Ishant Sharma.

Firstly when he bowled those spells at Punter in Perth, he was much more aggressive in his run up and action. Obviously he was bowling high 140s and he had a far superior wrist position, allowing him to straighten the ball away from the right hander.

These days he's bowling 130s and the wrist position is all over the show. He bowls wide on the crease and due to the poor wrist position, everything is on the right handers hip, so it's money for old rope.

Obviously bowlers lose pace, but they become smarter. Eg McGrath, Lillee, Vaas, Mohammad Asif(cheat) all had unrelenting accuracy when they lost that yard of pace.

Ishant has no clue where the ball is every going. He seldom ever bowls two balls in the same place and all ways bowls at least one 4 ball per over.

Obviously he's not in the class of the above mentioned.

But brains you are born with, but in Ishant's case he's a moron.

It's true that the bowling at Perth overhyped him big time and he's simply just not that good.

One thing seemingly forgotten from the 3rd ODI was Vinay Kumar was equally as rubbish, yet has slipped under the radar.

Neither Ishant or Vinay Kumar are of international pedigree.

I read a tweet stating Fletcher and Dhoni are saving Yadav for Test matches. Pretty wise move considering they are playing in SA, NZ and England in a 7 month period.

I, for one, am lost at Praveen Kumar's axing. Now that chap is a masterful bowler.

Rant over. 
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2013, 02:16:02 AM »

I think you make your own luck in international sports. Would like to see Ishant spend a season in county cricket. It worked wonders for Zaheer Khan.
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2013, 02:32:09 AM »

Praveen definitely was very skilled. Interestingly just checked his stats in tests, not too shabby either - 27 wickets in 6 matches at 25.81 a piece. Compare that with the supposed current pace spearhead Ishant.
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2013, 07:51:15 AM »

Praveen definitely was very skilled. Interestingly just checked his stats in tests, not too shabby either - 27 wickets in 6 matches at 25.81 a piece. Compare that with the supposed current pace spearhead Ishant.

I think thats the biggest surprise, that Praveen is no longer in the frame, as like people have said, his a very skillful bowler albeit not sharp in pace.
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2013, 08:12:50 AM »

ishant dropped for today's match-what are the selectors doing??

seriously dont know how Praveen Kumar does not get in the squad

watched him in 2011 over here and he swung it around and thinks about it

not seen many India bowlers actually swing the thing since zaheer khan...
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2013, 08:52:28 AM »

ishant dropped for today's match-what are the selectors doing??

seriously dont know how Praveen Kumar does not get in the squad

watched him in 2011 over here and he swung it around and thinks about it

not seen many India bowlers actually swing the thing since zaheer khan...

Parveen was easily the best bowler in that 2011 whitewash.
Hasn't played a game for India since
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2013, 08:56:56 AM »

indeed he was, Zaheer went off injured at Lords and that was his tour over

i don't understand the Indian selectors sometimes,some players Raina for example gets picked all the time....

if I remember correctly Dhoni took the pads off and had an over or two in that game!! :)
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2013, 09:26:20 AM »

Pretty sure that Praveen's axing was something to do with something he said or did in the domestic game? His temperament, or that's what I heard. As for Ishant... I posted something on cricinfo but my iphone decided it didn't want to let me. Basically, Ishant has become somewhat complacent in the Indian side, because of (in his view) a lack of seam bowling, so he must feel comfortable in the view that he won't get dropped (or if he does, he's next cab on the rank). However, I sympathise in that what poor person would want to run in off 30 yards, for 20 overs a day, on a track with no seam/swing/(variable) bounce, when they can walk in off 5 paces and get turn from the outset? The tracks in India are woeful and they complain about a lack of seam bowling depth. I wonder why...

Also, on the topic of Ishant going to County Cricket à la Zaheer, he's not fit to lace Zaheer's boots. Zaheer got in because he was very good, and worth having as an O/S pro. Ishant would want too much money (because he's an international) for someone of his calibre, unless he finds his form that he had in his earlier days, he's barely worth a spot in a County 2nds side.

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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2013, 11:05:43 AM »

Remarkably India dropped B Kumar instead of the woeful Vinay Kumar today.

B Kumar was ranked the bowler of the champions trophy just 3 months ago...
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2013, 11:07:42 AM »

I find Ishant a really annoying bowler to watch as I hate the way he tries to give the batsman some, after he's bowled one good ball that beats him out of about 10 overs of tripe - concentrate on being more consistent mate before giving it the big one!
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Re: Ishant Sharma - woeful or unlucky?
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2013, 07:23:40 PM »


Ishant is not worth the money, so many years in international cricket and "still learning", haven't learnt anything yet. The way he bowls I could smack him for a few leave alone international batsmen. The last I heard of Praveen and Umesh was they were injured, hope they recover soon. I would prefer playing a new bowler every match for trial rather than picking Ishant in my playing 11.
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