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[simonmay5]

May e I am being thick but how did you come across this mate? I didn't think GM sold direct from the factory or did you get this online from India?

I did not get it from India I got it off a guy who I use on eBay for all my ss gear and he had it I am pleased with it as it not even knocked in and the ball is pining like crazy

[Vitas Cricket]

When I first saw the bat I thought fake straight away but I decided to send the pictures to gm with all my details and Steve rang me back to confirm it was genuine and that it was a Indian bat but he went on to say about the bats made in India are for a set market off India aus and nz as I assume it for the cheaper end off bat maybe 303 or something around that grade I think this bat was made in the factory and sold on to local people for good money it came in a very nice gm case but who really knows ? I am happy with what I payed for it and sure it serve me well

Could be lower end Aus bats are made in India yes. I have only ever looked at the mid-higher range stuff to be honest.

[simonmay5]

Could be lower end Aus bats are made in India yes. I have only ever looked at the mid-higher range stuff to be honest.

I got a feeling it was made in their factory in India and someone sold it on out off the factory to make a few extra pounds but who knows all I know is when I sent photos to Steve he rang straight back and left a voice mail on my phone stating about the bats in India be nice for someone else to hear it

[Lefty100]

I have never seen in Australia a GM Octane F2 that has this much concaving - it does not seem to be in the correct shape and given the CAD/DXM tech used by GM it would be odd to have such a shape - how could it get through quality control.

Having said this there are GM bats coming to Australia that have not got the GM Now pre-prep treatment but do all have the DXM and the made in England stickers and whenever I've asked why they do not come with GM Now I have been told that many people do not want this and want the option of a natural finish bat. Not sure what to make of all this.

[Vitas Cricket]

I have never seen in Australia a GM Octane F2 that has this much concaving - it does not seem to be in the correct shape and given the CAD/DXM tech used by GM it would be odd to have such a shape - how could it get through quality control.

Having said this there are GM bats coming to Australia that have not got the GM Now pre-prep treatment but do all have the DXM and the made in England stickers and whenever I've asked why they do not come with GM Now I have been told that many people do not want this and want the option of a natural finish bat. Not sure what to make of all this.

The Indian bats are not made with CAD/DXM.

I think the main debate is whether bats sold in Aus come from India or Nottingham.

The lack of GM Now does thicken the plot somewhat, maybe Perkins17 can shed some light on it?

[simonmay5]

The Indian bats are not made with CAD/DXM.

I think the main debate is whether bats sold in Aus come from India or Nottingham.

The lack of GM Now does thicken the plot somewhat, maybe Perkins17 can shed some light on it?

If you give me your number in morning I play the phone message out loud to you to see what you mate off it mate it's very interesting hearing him tell me about the bats

[Number4]

Straight off the GM Aus website:

"All GM English Willow bats are produced by our own craftsmen in our own factory in Nottingham, England using these industry-leading techniques."

[Number4]

And this:

"English Willow

All GM English Willow cricket bats are designed and produced from prime English Willow by our own craftsmen and women in our own factory in Nottingham, England."

[Gingerbusiness]

But that is such an ambiguous statement.

Who's not to say the willow is cut and designed there, and not shipped out to India for shaping?

OR This could be a part of a trial being run by GM to see if they can cut costs or could be a concept bat just slapped with some left over octane stickers.

Many possibilities, but its a nice bat. Who cares as long as you didn't pay the world for it!

[Number4]

But that is such an ambiguous statement.

Who's not to say the willow is cut and designed there, and not shipped out to India for shaping?

OR This could be a part of a trial being run by GM to see if they can cut costs or could be a concept bat just slapped with some left over octane stickers.

Many possibilities, but its a nice bat. Who cares as long as you didn't pay the world for it!

The "industry leading techniques" they are referring to is the DMX/CAD/CAM.

And "produced by our own craftsmen and women in our own factory in Nottingham" I wouldn't really call ambiguous.

Either that or it's false advertising on their website

They also state all bats except the 303 , which has a white polytec coating, has GM NOW and TOETEK.

I'm not saying this GM isn't what it's supposed to be as it does look like a nice piece of willow but it's conflicting from the Aus website

[The_Bird]

http://bit.ly/HAwtHz

Is this your bat?

[Vitas Cricket]

Oh dear, DXM process listed in the description.

naughty naughty.

[procricket]

Since when did GM have English Willow bats made in India?

For a long time mate i saw hundreds have a look on facebook at Jeremy Ruggles blog

[simonmay5]

Oh dear, DXM process listed in the description.

naughty naughty.

If any one wants to hear the answer phone message on my phone saying what the factory in India made for it shocked me when he came out with it

[Gingerbusiness]

Let's be subjective about all of this;

We are a service sector country.

India is a manufacturing sector country.

Why? Cost of labour and specialisation of workforce labour skills.

I would assume GM is producing these goods for some Southern Hemisphere reason, but those two bats being sold in the UK market are probably/should be deemed to be grey market goods.

I'm not saying its right. We have traditionalists here who hate to see the dilution of UK brands and good old British manufacturing - myself being one HOWEVER to make money, you need to embrace change. GM, and many other brands, are now looking to do that. I could get into supply chain management etc but I've already been boring enough.

In terms of this, we need to be careful not to accuse bat makers of lower quality. It's just as easy for TK to turn out a poor bat on a bad day (VERY unlikely, but possible) as it is for an Indian batmaker - we know the money is not a motivator in 99% of cases, and the majority of workshops top Indian brands have, rival the ones here.

BUT I agree the language GM use is misleading and I think this is something which may need to be addressed at the 'Nottingham' offices - or at least make the information readily available to those who want it.

Not all coke cola is made in the USA...