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[Sam]

isnt he playing for the EPP vs Queensland 2's?

Haven't seen that but could well be true! Has the match started already I assume? Do you know if there's a live scorecard anywhere or not?

[thedevil]

Haven't seen that but could well be true! Has the match started already I assume? Do you know if there's a live scorecard anywhere or not?

It was mentioned on sky that he would play for EPP as well

[Johnny]

Bowled out twice for less than 200... Yeah, let's pick an extra bowler then

[Number 11]

Although the selectors sporadically give him chances. They don't think his technique (and his small stature) will work at the top level.

Shame really cos he's quality.

I quite like the idea of taylor, any short stuff will be miles over his head.

[awp]

As an Aussie, I would least prefer Bell at 3, I imagine the Aussie team may think similarly, therefore that's what England should do. Adelaide will be batting friendly and a cook/bell partnership batting us out of the game is not inconceivable. Then KP coming in against a soft ball and tired bowlers, well there's 450+ on the board right there.

[Vic Nicholas]

Excellent article:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/england-coach-andy-flower-out-of-line-when-he-questioned-australias-leadership-and-standards/story-e6freuy9-1226768985021#ixzz2lmXKikpm

[awp]

An excellent article indeed, thanks for sharing. At least one journalist has some perspective and a clue. I don't mind what goes on really, can't stand hypocrisy, is that flowers middle name by the way?

[MJB3]

I think all this talk about Clarke, Anderson, sledging and ex players opinions is just the product of the media, a real storm in a teacup.

The stuff between Clarke and Anderson, that was most certainly not the first threat made by either side in the series. Nor the worst. Nor is it the first time the English and the Aussies have come to words. I have faced much more sinster threats and I play a (No Swearing Please) standard. The only thing that surprises me is that Clarke didn't say he'd take his head off.  This stuff has been going on forever,  it has just never been picked up upon before technology.

Regarding Trott and Warner,  whilst ignorance is not innocence, if Broad has come out and said that Trotts mates didn't know the extent,  how was he to know? When all he said was, lets be honest, a fact.  We have all said things at somepoint that have come out to appear more sinister than they are. You apologise, feel like a tit and move on.

Vaughan is now paid to sell papers/advertising space.  All past players do it, Hussain, Botham, Warne all male derogatory statememts about former teammates. That is life. It is no different than any other sport, the way Micheal Owen commentates on BT sport you'd think he was Pele.

Storm in a tea cup.  Cricket should now be the last thing on JT's mind

[Manormanic]

Storm in a tea cup alright.  So Clarke said a few things to Anderson when he was desperate to get in and enjoy winning a test match - a feeling which, lets face it, he has not been able to enjoy for quite some time now - its hard to see why this gets anyone at all worked up.

The Aussies and their crowd get stuck in to Stuart Broad.  He bowls well as a result (note to Flower - that's the way to do it! we had always wondered y'know...)

Warner says something about Trott.  He was not to know about the background issues and even if he was, any sin is of being an ignorant bogun - which he would be mouth open or shut, lets face it - this is hardly a diplomatic incident (though Warner is more or less alone in being able to dish it out, but never to take it back).

All of this is, well, kind of meh.  It reminds me of a comment made to me in a game earlier this year when I was playing with a cast on my hand.  Said comment amounted to a query as to whether my medical insurance covered amputation - and the bowler was the first to buy me a pint afterward.

Lets all grow up, eh?

[jamesisapayne]

Storm in a tea cup alright.  So Clarke said a few things to Anderson when he was desperate to get in and enjoy winning a test match - a feeling which, lets face it, he has not been able to enjoy for quite some time now - its hard to see why this gets anyone at all worked up.

The Aussies and their crowd get stuck in to Stuart Broad.  He bowls well as a result (note to Flower - that's the way to do it! we had always wondered y'know...)

Warner says something about Trott.  He was not to know about the background issues and even if he was, any sin is of being an ignorant bogun - which he would be mouth open or shut, lets face it - this is hardly a diplomatic incident (though Warner is more or less alone in being able to dish it out, but never to take it back).

Lets all grow up, eh?

Pretty much spot on. It's the media (surprise surprise) that appear to be stoking the flames and whipping up a frenzy. Most cricketers know what goes on and couldn't give two hoots, aside from Trott having to leave which isn't a very nice thing at all.

[ProCricketer1982]

Pretty much spot on. It's the media (surprise surprise) that appear to be stoking the flames and whipping up a frenzy. Most cricketers know what goes on and couldn't give two hoots, aside from Trott having to leave which isn't a very nice thing at all.

We've got a cricket chat room at work (about 200'people in it on an average day and more if a test is on), and most people agreed that actually far from being fine and dandy sledging has no place on the cricket field anymore. Kids and players see these incidents and copy thm on a Saturday/Sunday with coaches who,also allow and teach them these  things. Funny/witty banter is universally accepted as beneficial to the game but when someone finds it offensive then it shouldn't happen. Of course a couple of people chipped in with 'it's a man's game ' 'it's happened since time begun ' but were quickly rebuffed by the majority with 'if we left things 'as they'd always been we'd live in caves still, time and society moves on'.

Just thought it was interesting to see so many come out and finally say they'd had enough of sledging on the tv and on Saturday afternoons

[Manormanic]

have they really?  My Dad argued yesterday that it was a modern invention and got very defensive when I recounted his mate Freddie Trueman's classics....

[ProCricketer1982]

have they really?  My Dad argued yesterday that it was a modern invention and got very defensive when I recounted his mate Freddie Trueman's classics....

There was an opinion that said pros should be able to do it more than amateurs due to then having sanctions (enforceable ones) and umpires etc who can actually do apmething about it. Low level is the concern coming out of that particular forum as there is no protection from it and no way to 'prove' it either, meaning nothing can be done.

I just though it was interesting to finally hear people separate the pro game from the game we all play. Most people treat out sarurdays ALS if they are a test

[Manormanic]

I don't have a problem competing hard on a Saturday - there would be very little point in playing league cricket if you are going to do it as though its a jolly hockey sticks jape.

There are of course limits, but in twenty three years of playing league cricket I've only seen one or two really offensive bouts of verbals. 

[farnham_quins_2]

I think they want Bresnan in if hes fit. To add extra in both departments. I dont think we should move Bell or KP. id put Root 3, bresnan 6. Maybe swap prior for Bairstow...and swap Tremlett for Finn. Id like to see Ballance in for trott but dont think theyll do thst