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Nmcgee

Re: Butterfly
« Reply #285 on: April 04, 2014, 10:52:42 AM »

Fair dinkum.....you blokes in the UK are spoiled for choice. For the amount you pay, for custom kit, I find it hard to believe that some of you get upset over an extra 30-40GBP. I can get a hand made stick from a bloke like Paul Aldred sent to Oz for half the price of a big name bat from one of the retailers here in Sydney....and it's twice as good.

I might add that, sadly, descent customer service is not a given. I have had contact with several bespoke bat makers and found emails not responded to or a lackadaisical, disinterested response provided.
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #286 on: April 04, 2014, 10:54:53 AM »

I agree that good customer service is a rare thing now a days tbh. most places have set things they HAVE to say, but that isn't good service as 99% don't mean what they are saying.
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #287 on: April 05, 2014, 10:31:10 AM »

Chris Adams, commenting on a well received Shark bat, in the AOC gear test: "Butterflies in the grain make for a better piece of wood."
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #288 on: April 05, 2014, 10:45:17 AM »

Chris Adams, commenting on a well received Shark bat, in the AOC gear test: "Butterflies is the grain make for a better piece of wood."

That couldn't be further than what he was saying there! He was talking about clean blades! LOL!

The Shark was a good bat but I have to admit... I thought it was a HitsHard - Great finishing but lower grade willow.
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #289 on: April 05, 2014, 10:52:40 AM »

That couldn't be further than what he was saying there! He was talking about clean blades! LOL!

The Shark was a good bat but I have to admit... I thought it was a HitsHard - Great finishing but lower grade willow.

Are you sure? Did I read it wrong? Just picked it up quickly in WH Smith...
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #290 on: April 05, 2014, 11:02:46 AM »

Are you sure? Did I read it wrong? Just picked it up quickly in WH Smith...

I think some of the quotes were 'adjusted' for the purposes of media and advertising...

Though not necessarily by AOC. Adams might have said it in an interview but he was banging on to most people about how he likes a good, clean blade.
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #291 on: April 05, 2014, 04:55:37 PM »

Grizzly is very much a clean blade man good pick up 2-7/2-8
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #292 on: April 05, 2014, 05:50:14 PM »

Grizzly is very much a clean blade man good pick up 2-7/2-8

Laver and Wood Signature was his favourite in the test.
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #293 on: April 06, 2014, 02:42:55 PM »

Here's 4 lovely butterfly bats. 3 in our new selected butterfly grade 1 bats and one standard that is a real custom made in a very traditional style at 2-8. The others are velocity 2-7 gold sovereign 2-9 and silver sovereign 2-9. These are all being shipped out this week.


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Chad

Re: Butterfly
« Reply #294 on: April 07, 2014, 01:46:56 PM »

I have to say, I disagreed about the whole G1 Butterfly thing and pricing them higher, but I felt that a price increase overall for all Butterflies wouldn't actually be a bad thing. (£135 to £150 posted) I'm guessing Butterflies have massively outsold the other 4 grades, Paul?

That being said, after seeing those 3 G1 Butterfly bats, if they're all as good as that, then I guess a price increase can be justified. Think of what people do with G1 willow, they grade some as G1+, why can't you do the same with Butterfly, and make it a Butterfly+ cleft? Are you telling me they paid more for a G1+ cleft from the willow merchants, who may not have such a grade? Same with a low density cleft, haven't they paid the exact same price for that cleft as what the merchants charge for a G1/2 etc? I still disagree with increasing the price above the G3 range, but then again, ideally, you wouldn't want your lower grades to outsell your higher grades by too high a margin, so if they do, then just mark up the price and people will consider the other grades. I would certainly pay a little more to have a Butterfly looking like one of the 3 on the right (Maybe a £15-25 increase would tempt me more) when compared to the ones on the left. Most people buy Butterfly because it is a budget bat, and generally perform as well, if not better than other grades, so just pay a little extra for a better looking one if you're one for looks too. Also helps that some professionals used to swear by Butterfly stains.

To other folk who seem to think Paul is wrong for raising up the prices, maybe it's time to remember that not every batmaker that you order from will let you pick out a cleft, and make it from start to finish? Time is money to many folk here, and if he has to spend that extra time picking the extra special clefts, taking pictures of them and dealing with you, wouldn't that mean he would be entitled to charge you a little extra? In the end, you're parting with your money, he's just trying to convince you to, and whether you're convinced or not, entirely up to you. We are very lucky to have someone like Aldred sponsoring this forum, if we were to take him out, the Cricket Manufacturer/Brand section would be much quieter and boring.

Top work as always, really a fan of your work. Thanks again for the pictures, and please keep sharing them! :)
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #295 on: April 07, 2014, 02:26:54 PM »

I think when your talking about charging more for willow density it's a hole different ball game because those low density crown clefts would be put away for pro's...let's be honest the pros at Aldreds will be wanting his players stuff not a grade 1 butterfly
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #296 on: April 07, 2014, 02:27:06 PM »

I have to say, I disagreed about the whole G1 Butterfly thing and pricing them higher, but I felt that a price increase overall for all Butterflies wouldn't actually be a bad thing. (£135 to £150 posted) I'm guessing Butterflies have massively outsold the other 4 grades, Paul?

That being said, after seeing those 3 G1 Butterfly bats, if they're all as good as that, then I guess a price increase can be justified. Think of what people do with G1 willow, they grade some as G1+, why can't you do the same with Butterfly, and make it a Butterfly+ cleft? Are you telling me they paid more for a G1+ cleft from the willow merchants, who may not have such a grade? Same with a low density cleft, haven't they paid the exact same price for that cleft as what the merchants charge for a G1/2 etc? I still disagree with increasing the price above the G3 range, but then again, ideally, you wouldn't want your lower grades to outsell your higher grades by too high a margin, so if they do, then just mark up the price and people will consider the other grades. I would certainly pay a little more to have a Butterfly looking like one of the 3 on the right (Maybe a £15-25 increase would tempt me more) when compared to the ones on the left. Most people buy Butterfly because it is a budget bat, and generally perform as well, if not better than other grades, so just pay a little extra for a better looking one if you're one for looks too. Also helps that some professionals used to swear by Butterfly stains.

To other folk who seem to think Paul is wrong for raising up the prices, maybe it's time to remember that not every batmaker that you order from will let you pick out a cleft, and make it from start to finish? Time is money to many folk here, and if he has to spend that extra time picking the extra special clefts, taking pictures of them and dealing with you, wouldn't that mean he would be entitled to charge you a little extra? In the end, you're parting with your money, he's just trying to convince you to, and whether you're convinced or not, entirely up to you. We are very lucky to have someone like Aldred sponsoring this forum, if we were to take him out, the Cricket Manufacturer/Brand section would be much quieter and boring.

Top work as always, really a fan of your work. Thanks again for the pictures, and please keep sharing them! :)

Just a small comment here.. the market is rapidly changing and the willow suppliers have also adjusted accordingly.. There is indeed different pricing for G1 + willow.
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #297 on: April 07, 2014, 02:45:08 PM »

I think when your talking about charging more for willow density it's a hole different ball game because those low density crown clefts would be put away for pro's...let's be honest the pros at Aldreds will be wanting his players stuff not a grade 1 butterfly

What about a low density Butterfly? Wouldn't it be fine to charge a little extra for that? Or is Butterfly just Butterfly? Or a better looking G1, wouldn't it be fine to charge a little more for that? Isn't it an ongoing thing for people to be searching for the biggest bat for the weight? Same way some people pay more for looks, and others pay more for a lower density cleft. I'm pretty sure not every pro uses low density bats. Pros at Aldred probably do go for Players, but like Paul said in the other video, where he was praised for being very honest and clear about grading and performance, can't a Butterfly perform the same, if not better? Lots of ifs and buts, but low density and big size doesn't always equate to performance. (Seen big 3lb planks) Looks and density are what you can grade by, and Paul is grading by looks here. In terms of performance, you can't really rely on initial response to determine whether the bat will play in amazingly, but a bat that responds well at the beginning is always a bonus. Seems like the demand for a good looking Butterfly has been high, and prices rise when things are in high demand.

Just a small comment here.. the market is rapidly changing and the willow suppliers have also adjusted accordingly.. There is indeed different pricing for G1 + willow.

I stand corrected on that statement, cheers for the heads up! Seeing as they seem to keep dropping the standards for a G1 cleft, I guess it was bound to happen. :-[
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Re: Butterfly
« Reply #298 on: April 07, 2014, 02:58:38 PM »

you can get grade 4,3,2,1 in these low density clefts. If someone offers you a 5 grain bat woth knots in it and it is low denisty you will still want to pay less than £100.

Unfortunately pricing is done on grade which is done on looks

having seen 3 of those butterfly bats that Mr Aldred has posted I think they are comparable to some £170 bats from the big boys as they arent stained with the butterfly in the main playing area. If you look at the face and the grains ont he 2nd from the left it doesnt look too bad at all and with a bigger sticker you wouldnt know its a butterfly and it can be sold as a grade 2 which is £225 at least from some companies.

Now onto the next point, is it the butterfly stain that is supposed to play well or is it a cleft with the stain in that plays well. I dont know the answer to that, maybe someone will be able to help. If it is the stain itself then not having it in the main playing area defeats the object of the butterfly stain.



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Butterfly
« Reply #299 on: April 07, 2014, 04:21:53 PM »

I believe that the strain is supposed to be slightly harder,  so will take longer to play in and go like a rocket when done.  Having said that,  I'd defer to the batmaker for his view!

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