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Re: Shrey Helmets
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2013, 10:36:37 PM »

They will point to this:

SHREY CRICKET HELMET 2014

...and the corrupt ICC will crumble...

The BCCI will support Shrey and every other  association will be snookered.

Rule #1 - you can never beat the BCCI.


In this video it seems to me that the peak and grill has enough flex in it to let the ball pass through easily and as for it not being strapped up I can clearly see a strap going the chin of the mannequin.

I don't wear a helmet.. Never have so none of this effects me but I believe it's only a good thing to have the safest helmet possible. And as for the ugly new masuri helmets no one is being forced to wear it so not too sure what the argument is there.

Tom what manufacturers have been involved in the meetings?
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Re: Shrey Helmets
« Reply #76 on: December 26, 2013, 10:52:01 PM »

All major manufacturers were invited to attend. If they choose to or not was upto them but an email went out from FICA to everyone I believe back in 2012 or at least that's when we first got notified of the proposed changes.
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Re: Shrey Helmets
« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2013, 01:05:31 AM »

Buzz, what we have to consider here is the facts.

The facts are, as soon as Masuri announced that they would be ditching the popular traditional styled helmet in favour of this idiotic design, virtually ALL the international players who were Masuri users have DUMPED Masuri and have voted with their feet by defecting to Shrey.

What does that tell you?

It tells me that Shrey will soon be rivalling Albion as the most popular helmet used.

It also tells me that the recent changes will ensure that Masuri will be bankrupt within two years and will end up as nothing more than a footnote in cricket equipment history, much like Saint Peter who were all the rage in the late 70's.

God bless Shrey for having the courage to stand up to the corrupt fat cats.

The international players have spoken - and it is Shrey they support.

I don't see any players in the Ashes wearing a Shrey lid? Also I could be wrong but I haven't noticed any at the big bash either.

Not sure what that video of the Shrey helmet shows other than proving that current masuri helmets (whether they carry slazenger, masuri or shrey branding) do not meet the new standard. Regardless of ball speed (I suspect slow) the video shows a fail as the grille slams into the neck/chin, the peak clearly flexes creating a wider gap too. It is also clearly evident that the chinstrap is properly secured.

This is not an initiative by the ECB, the English government, masuri, ayrtek or any combination of those 4. It is the ICC's medical panel who have proposed a new helmet standard, in Response to increasing facial/head injuries. In the UK the BSI governs safety equipment and they have updated their testing to meet the new standards proposed by the ICC, as have/will equivalent bodies in the other cricket nations.

The current test sees a weight dropped on the top of the shell to test for crumple damage. There is no current safety test that examines the grille/peak. That is what the new regulations are proposing, hence these slow motion videos of balls fired at the grille suddenly appearing everywhere.

My understanding is the ICC are proposing that all cricket nations are required to meet the new standard. Exactly what that means is still a little murky, does it mean all ICC sanctioned matches will require the use of these new helmets? I don't know for sure but I certainly hope so. What I do know is that according to what I have read the retailers and manufacturers will soon be unable to offer you a helmet that doesn't meet the new standard. This includes Shrey according to everything that is written.
Of course I fully believe that India will just continue to do as they wish, Pakistan too, especially in their local markets, both are a law unto themselves.

So you may well be able to directly import a Shrey helmet that will be illegal to sell anywhere away from the subcontinent, but to claim this is all scare mongering from the UK Government, or that Shrey will dominate the market at the expense of the rest I am afraid is just not correct.

Before long there will be a majority of kids who have grown up only knowing the type of helmet that meets the new regulations. The parents will make the initial purchase when the child is young and will be interested in safety. They will not be looking to import a helmet from India because it looks better, nor would the vast majority of parents even know that Shrey exist. The child who knows nothing else during their early cricketing years will not suddenly reach the age where the buying choices become their own and say "you know what, these helmets that have served me well so far just aren't good enough, I'm going to get one from India that doesn't pass the ICC safety standard."

I understand that the helmets on the heads of (mostly) international players on TV will have an impact. I suspect it will be  difficult to get elite players into a new style helmet, although not impossible, as Aytek have proved in the past with various players and are continuing to prove under the Adidas brand. The ICC and respective cricket boards will need to take a tough line, it may be that a compromise is reached possibly through signing of disclaimers or whatever, but this will only be with the current players. The change may well be gradual at the elite level for this reason.
I hope/assume that up and coming cricketers playing international age group cricket will be required to wear the new helmets. I assume any first class clubs will insert a clause into the contracts of players they take on from their academies too. These boys who have smaller egos and whose threats carry little/no weight compared to say a Pietersen or a Chris Gayle will have been wearing the new lids for their whole career, if/when they emerge onto the full international scene they won't suddenly make the switch to an illegal helmet (should any even exist by then)

For this reason, as well as others that I will explain later, I believe Shrey will be a relatively short lived exercise.

As for the regulations in Aus regarding helmets, if my understanding is correct and you are not obligated to wear one, I would assume that if you choose to wear one then soon you will only be able to buy one that meets the new standard, just like most of the rest of the world. I can't see Chappell Cricket Centre or Kingsgrove or anyone else taking that kind of risk. Australia might be far less politically correct than the UK (something I really liked) but I lived there long enough to know that the American compensation culture is having an ever growing influence. I can see it now on 60 minutes. A mother is assured that a Shrey helmet is right for her kid, he gets an injury and then the journalists do a big expose on how the retailer went against the rules/advice/suggestions/regulations (whatever is the appropriate strength word to use when all this comes out in the wash and the ICC finalise everything) of Cricket Australia and the ICC by selling a helmet that doesn't meet the safety standard. There would be hysteria from protective parents.

As for the question asking where all the evidence is of players getting hurt in the existing helmets? There is plenty of footage out there, there really is no need to link to it here, but to get you started Brett Lee hitting McCullum and Malinga hitting Marlon Samuels spring to mind immediately. Both impacts drew blood, the ball that hit McCullum passed straight through the gap and hit his nose, I assume breaking it, there was a lot of claret. The ball from Harmison that hit Ponting's Albion helmet and forced the grille into his cheek didn't exactly cause major damage to Ricky, but shows Albions current design also needs work to meet the new standard.

Sorry for the rant, this is in no way intended as a personal attack on you Vic, I'm simply putting my interpretation across (as a very interested party) with regard to what is going on in this part of the industry. Nor is it an attack directly at TK Sports/Shrey, they have produced a great helmet for Masuri and Slazenger for a number of years, but the times are a changing, and to release this product just as everyone is learning of new regulations and many are also reacting negatively to new helmet designs, smacks of a short term marketing ploy to make some quick bucks. Dare I suggest, it is maybe even a move motivated by spite, as Masuri have elected to produce the helmet to meet the new regulations here in the UK, instead of using TK Sports/Shrey.

I don't expect Shrey to be the only ones, before long the usual suspects from Pakistan will pop up with something I imagine, maybe our friend in Thailand will release a ground breaking Xtrax helmet?  :D

So, forums are a place for lively back and forth. I'm sure I've made some errors or at least said a few things that people will disagree with, I've got a thick skin, let's hear from you. I won't take it personally I promise :)
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Re: Shrey Helmets
« Reply #78 on: December 27, 2013, 02:27:13 AM »

I don't see any players in the Ashes wearing a Shrey lid? Also I could be wrong but I haven't noticed any at the big bash either.

Not sure what that video of the Shrey helmet shows other than proving that current masuri helmets (whether they carry slazenger, masuri or shrey branding) do not meet the new standard. Regardless of ball speed (I suspect slow) the video shows a fail as the grille slams into the neck/chin, the peak clearly flexes creating a wider gap too. It is also clearly evident that the chinstrap is properly secured.

This is not an initiative by the ECB, the English government, masuri, ayrtek or any combination of those 4. It is the ICC's medical panel who have proposed a new helmet standard, in Response to increasing facial/head injuries. In the UK the BSI governs safety equipment and they have updated their testing to meet the new standards proposed by the ICC, as have/will equivalent bodies in the other cricket nations.

The current test sees a weight dropped on the top of the shell to test for crumple damage. There is no current safety test that examines the grille/peak. That is what the new regulations are proposing, hence these slow motion videos of balls fired at the grille suddenly appearing everywhere.

My understanding is the ICC are proposing that all cricket nations are required to meet the new standard. Exactly what that means is still a little murky, does it mean all ICC sanctioned matches will require the use of these new helmets? I don't know for sure but I certainly hope so. What I do know is that according to what I have read the retailers and manufacturers will soon be unable to offer you a helmet that doesn't meet the new standard. This includes Shrey according to everything that is written.
Of course I fully believe that India will just continue to do as they wish, Pakistan too, especially in their local markets, both are a law unto themselves.

So you may well be able to directly import a Shrey helmet that will be illegal to sell anywhere away from the subcontinent, but to claim this is all scare mongering from the UK Government, or that Shrey will dominate the market at the expense of the rest I am afraid is just not correct.

Before long there will be a majority of kids who have grown up only knowing the type of helmet that meets the new regulations. The parents will make the initial purchase when the child is young and will be interested in safety. They will not be looking to import a helmet from India because it looks better, nor would the vast majority of parents even know that Shrey exist. The child who knows nothing else during their early cricketing years will not suddenly reach the age where the buying choices become their own and say "you know what, these helmets that have served me well so far just aren't good enough, I'm going to get one from India that doesn't pass the ICC safety standard."

I understand that the helmets on the heads of (mostly) international players on TV will have an impact. I suspect it will be  difficult to get elite players into a new style helmet, although not impossible, as Aytek have proved in the past with various players and are continuing to prove under the Adidas brand. The ICC and respective cricket boards will need to take a tough line, it may be that a compromise is reached possibly through signing of disclaimers or whatever, but this will only be with the current players. The change may well be gradual at the elite level for this reason.
I hope/assume that up and coming cricketers playing international age group cricket will be required to wear the new helmets. I assume any first class clubs will insert a clause into the contracts of players they take on from their academies too. These boys who have smaller egos and whose threats carry little/no weight compared to say a Pietersen or a Chris Gayle will have been wearing the new lids for their whole career, if/when they emerge onto the full international scene they won't suddenly make the switch to an illegal helmet (should any even exist by then)

For this reason, as well as others that I will explain later, I believe Shrey will be a relatively short lived exercise.

As for the regulations in Aus regarding helmets, if my understanding is correct and you are not obligated to wear one, I would assume that if you choose to wear one then soon you will only be able to buy one that meets the new standard, just like most of the rest of the world. I can't see Chappell Cricket Centre or Kingsgrove or anyone else taking that kind of risk. Australia might be far less politically correct than the UK (something I really liked) but I lived there long enough to know that the American compensation culture is having an ever growing influence. I can see it now on 60 minutes. A mother is assured that a Shrey helmet is right for her kid, he gets an injury and then the journalists do a big expose on how the retailer went against the rules/advice/suggestions/regulations (whatever is the appropriate strength word to use when all this comes out in the wash and the ICC finalise everything) of Cricket Australia and the ICC by selling a helmet that doesn't meet the safety standard. There would be hysteria from protective parents.

As for the question asking where all the evidence is of players getting hurt in the existing helmets? There is plenty of footage out there, there really is no need to link to it here, but to get you started Brett Lee hitting McCullum and Malinga hitting Marlon Samuels spring to mind immediately. Both impacts drew blood, the ball that hit McCullum passed straight through the gap and hit his nose, I assume breaking it, there was a lot of claret. The ball from Harmison that hit Ponting's Albion helmet and forced the grille into his cheek didn't exactly cause major damage to Ricky, but shows Albions current design also needs work to meet the new standard.

Sorry for the rant, this is in no way intended as a personal attack on you Vic, I'm simply putting my interpretation across (as a very interested party) with regard to what is going on in this part of the industry. Nor is it an attack directly at TK Sports/Shrey, they have produced a great helmet for Masuri and Slazenger for a number of years, but the times are a changing, and to release this product just as everyone is learning of new regulations and many are also reacting negatively to new helmet designs, smacks of a short term marketing ploy to make some quick bucks. Dare I suggest, it is maybe even a move motivated by spite, as Masuri have elected to produce the helmet to meet the new regulations here in the UK, instead of using TK Sports/Shrey.

I don't expect Shrey to be the only ones, before long the usual suspects from Pakistan will pop up with something I imagine, maybe our friend in Thailand will release a ground breaking Xtrax helmet?  :D

So, forums are a place for lively back and forth. I'm sure I've made some errors or at least said a few things that people will disagree with, I've got a thick skin, let's hear from you. I won't take it personally I promise :)

I never said anyone in the Ashes was wearing a Shrey lid?

Where did I say that?

BUT...

Most of the Indian players have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.

Most of the South Africans have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.

Most of the West Indian players have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.

Most of the Pakistan players have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.

As for Australian players...my bet is that NOT ONE will wear those new Masuri abominations.

I also have to laugh at the fact that Stuart Broad who is sponsored by Adidas wore his sponsors Ayrtek grill...what...once, before going back to his trusty Masuri? What a vote of confidence in a supposedly safer, superior product.

You can keep spouting forth your propaganda, but these nanny state UK laws will not even apply to the touring Indian and South African touring teams to the England where they will CONTINUE TO WEAR THEIR SHREY helmets, much less anywhere outside of the UK.

We are not your dominions any more and we do not have to put up with your nonsense tampering/protectionism so as to try and prop up failing UK companies.

The ball speed in that video would, I suspect, be around the 80 to 90mph. And no, you are WRONG, the helmet DOES perform its primary task. But for the impeccable safety of the Masuri/Shrey/Slazenger helmet, the batsman's face would be obliterated. Instead, the grill touches the bottom of the neck/chest. BIG DEAL! Would the batsman have sustained an injury through the grill touching the lower neck/chest? Not a snow flakes chance in hell. The batsman's face/nose etc are perfectly safe and the batsman would be able to continue batting far more comfortably than if he had been hit, say, on the funny bone or even on the box. Play would not even have stopped for the grill touching the neck or chest.

Also, given that this test would have been conducted in the same testing conditions (and the SAME testing lab!) that were used to test Masuri helmets (after all Shrey was the manufacturer), why would they have been OK then...but not OK now? I detect the usual British colonialism/racism in all the comments here. "IF it is a UK company, it is good, but if it is an Indian company, it is inferior". What a load of nonsense. Why would Shrey/Masuri bother conducting tests at slow speeds etc which would not pass muster later on? Why would they waste time and money? I sense panicked racist myopia that cannot fathom that an openly Indian company will be the market leader in cricket helmets and even more upsetting for the White Supremicist neo-conservatives on this forum, it absolutely drives you guys nuts that the majority of international stars will be wearing Shrey helmets in 2014 and onwards.

I find that deliciously ironic.

Why?

Because for years on this forum, all I have heard was how the "British designed" Masuri is the BEST HELMET ON THE MARKET and the safest, best looking, yada yada yada. But, as soon as Masuri has moved to this new construction site plastic crap, the original awesome design that ALL OF YOU fawned over is suddenly rubbish and no good? Yeah right lads, I follow your warped logic...millions of others wouldn't!

As it is, I am convinced that even in 2015, your BS nanny state laws will be of no relevance to the rest of the cricketing world. Well, maybe New Zealand....they are surrogate Englishmen anyways, so you will have at least one nation supporting you!
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Re: Shrey Helmets
« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2013, 02:33:17 AM »

In this video it seems to me that the peak and grill has enough flex in it to let the ball pass through easily and as for it not being strapped up I can clearly see a strap going the chin of the mannequin.

I don't wear a helmet.. Never have so none of this effects me but I believe it's only a good thing to have the safest helmet possible. And as for the ugly new masuri helmets no one is being forced to wear it so not too sure what the argument is there.

Tom what manufacturers have been involved in the meetings?

Yeah, there IS a strap...but last I checked, my jaw is made of bone covered in skin...so the strap would grip to my chin better than it grips on some metal/glass/whatever the hell that mannequin is.
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« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2013, 02:38:22 AM »

I have seen a few instances of the ball penetrating a Masuri helmet. In fact, I bowled a ball 2 seasons ago that hit a springy spot in an under prepared wicket that cut the batsman's eye brow and he required stiches. Now I'm not anywhere near the pace of some others so for that to happen tells me there's a problem with the space between the grill and peak. Masuri helmets have become more popular here in Australia over the past few years with Albion no longer sponsoring Cricket Australia, so if this has happened in our league, I fathom a guess it'll have happened in others too. especially on synthetic wickets which generally bounce more.
For me, I can understand why Masuri and ECB have decided on this course of action, however I really feel my Albion lid (And all my Albion lids prior) offer me more than adequate protection. In fact, as much as people berate the plastic Albion lids, I think the protection they offer to me personally is brilliant.

HAHAHAHA!!

Famous last words eh Aussie?

Chris Rogers was just sconned by a moderate delivery by Broad on his Albion and the guys face is cut and he was shaken up!

Albions are safer??

You evidently forgot about Justin Langer being hit on the side of the helmet first ball of the test by Makhaya Ntini - the ball was no more than 135kmph - and took no further part in the test. Moreover, he then missed the following tour to Bangladesh where Phil Jaques deputized for him. Langer was wearing an Albion. The safest helmet eh?

Please!
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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2013, 02:40:35 AM »

'We are not your dominions any more and we do not have to put up with your nonsense tampering/protectionism so as to try and prop up failing UK companies.'

Whilst you continue to make idiotic comments like these, I'm afraid you will never be taken seriously on this forum. This is a conversation about Cricket helmets, not some political inferiority complex that only you appear to display. It is Christmas. Have a cold one and relax, maybe go outside a bit more or something. You are dragging the decent standards of the forum down with such comments.
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« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2013, 02:43:26 AM »

You are dragging the decent standards of the forum down with such comments.

Don't make me laugh.

I have exposed the moronic myopia on this very same forum in the past many, many times.

I do not drink as I do not wish to abuse my health in a pointless, trivial pursuit.

Have a good day sir!
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Re: Shrey Helmets
« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2013, 04:09:35 AM »

Vic how much are shrey paying you bud? Must be a lot to make you continuously spout rubbish

I am not paid by anyone.

You are just a sad sack crying into your soup over the crap toilet seats that you will have to wear in 2014.

I still have my Masuri - and when that wears out, I can always order the world famous and superstar endorsed Shrey.

I am a winner, you, clearly, are not. :)
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« Reply #84 on: December 27, 2013, 04:24:26 AM »

Truth is stranger than fiction...

They have kitted out Piers Morgan to face Brett Lee...and what helmet did Mark Nicholas hand Morgan to protect his head?

A Shrey!!!!

You couldn't script this for Hollywood, seriously!
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« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2013, 04:36:23 AM »

Truth is stranger than fiction...

They have kitted out Piers Morgan to face Brett Lee...and what helmet did Mark Nicholas hand Morgan to protect his head?

A Shrey!!!!

You couldn't script this for Hollywood, seriously!

How can you tell? Earpiece?

I have never heard of Shrey until this thread, so they are not that famous.

From what I can gather, the company who used to create at least one model for Masuri, now do Shrey instead. Whether they are identical, similar or just look alike, is unsure.

The new regs that will come in, may or may not be universal.

If they are, Shrey will have to adapt.

If they aren't, I am sure Masuri will continue to provide a helmet for the other markets.

Whether the international who use Shrey are selecting Shrey, or sponsored by Shrey, it is anyone's guess. If they have to abide by ICC ruling on the new regs, they will.

Until they are out, I wouldn't worry about it.
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« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2013, 04:43:40 AM »

How can you tell? Earpiece?

I have never heard of Shrey until this thread, so they are not that famous.

From what I can gather, the company who used to create at least one model for Masuri, now do Shrey instead. Whether they are identical, similar or just look alike, is unsure.

The new regs that will come in, may or may not be universal.

If they are, Shrey will have to adapt.

If they aren't, I am sure Masuri will continue to provide a helmet for the other markets.

Whether the international who use Shrey are selecting Shrey, or sponsored by Shrey, it is anyone's guess. If they have to abide by ICC ruling on the new regs, they will.

Until they are out, I wouldn't worry about it.

Pretty simple buddy....it had the SHREY logo on the back of the helmet.

At first I thought Nicholas handed him a Masuri, but after Morgan put it on and turned to walk into the net, the SHREY logo was there for all to see.

It was clearly visible there after every time he turned around.

There is a lot of straw clutching in this thread.

You will all be bitterly disappointed in the long run.
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« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2013, 04:52:50 AM »

Well spotted, I had to put it on the big TV to catch that.

I will keep my eye out for it now, see who else wears them internationally.

Personally, I wont be disappointed as I wear an Albion lid, the Masuri ones are too small generally.
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« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2013, 04:54:10 AM »

Clearly you do not watch much cricket joeljonno...virtually all the West Indian players are wearing them.

Virtually all the Indian players are wearing them.

Virtually all the Pakistani's are wearing them.

Virtually all the South Africans are wearing them...including Smith, Kallis etc.

How did this happen that ALL the players who were Masuri wearers in the above teams all ditched Masuri en masse overnight to wear this hitherto unknown brand?

Well, I will hazard a guess here...and I have no inside knowledge, so it IS only a guess.

I think that the players from SA, WI, India and Pakistan who normally get their Masuri's sent to them direct from Jalandhar were informed that Masuri was now discontinuing this design. Being loyal to something they trust and are comfortable with, they didn't need any convincing when the SAME FACTORY sent them their new helmets which are identical to their old helmets save for the fact that they now sported a new logo.

Some sponsorship contracts were no doubt signed and PRESTO, Shrey has cornered the market.

I believe that during the SA tour in February, Australian players who wear Masuri will also convert to Shrey. But again, I am only guessing.

English players will be the only ones forced to wear the new Masuri design...and even then, only through force.
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« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2013, 05:05:16 AM »

I don't watch much, I don't have the time and often not interested in it when it is two countries who I do not follow.

Occasional highlights and SkySports News helps keep me up to date with results.

I dis try to see a Shrey yesterday in the India - SA game but only saw Masuri with an SS sticker on.
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