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[Aussie]

I didn't deliberately sidestep it, as you were using it as your main argument. And because I never stated that no injuries ever happened to wearers of Albions. It was actually you who did that yourself by saying Masuri had a perfect injury record. Could come back and point to Alex Tudor's injury as return of serve, but that's not the point. They were in a time of simple older style helmets. I mean, my Albion helmet from the mid 90's is extremely different to the Albions I own now.
What I will say is that the more recent serious injuries which have happened in current models of all helmets seem to correlate with the wearing of a masuri. Not saying that other injuries haven't occured in different brands, but the recent ones I have seen in both professional and club cricket have all been behind a masuri grill.
If you want to look at it plainly, Shrey making these "Masuri" model helmets haven't addressed current concerns, so they inherit the safety question marks for the helmet model in question.

[Cricketforlove13]

Roco

It looks as if you are the board member for masuri . Who knows the other side of the story ? Maybe the real manufacturer is no more supplying their product to slazenger and masuri and maybe their helmet will still pass the 2014 regs . Who knows ? But yes it is important to sell a product which passes the safety standards and noone else can be very confident in commenting whether someone's product will pass the standards or not , only the real manufacturer can show the end result .

[Vic Nicholas]

Viv

Your arguments are somewhat one eyed without knowing what evidence was presented by a neutral committee to a panel of brands that actually manufacture the very helmets you question. Its not my place or the right forum to disclose these results as there were done so to the people who are on the panel in a confidential manner.

I think you would be surprised by what the research showed in relation to the ball speeds required that will force its way through the peak/grille area on some models of helmet. There is no way that the video is at 80-90mph as this would destroy the grille entirely as the ball is fired from an air cannon at 60cm away! A 90mph bouncer once it has hit the pitch and reached the batsmen will ravel at around 12-15mph less than when it leaves the hand. The videos we received back after doing our own testing went upto 76mph at which point it was bending a grille back and deforming it severely.

Its easy to create a scenario where a product performs if thats what you are aiming to achieve and the point of impact that ball makes is vital to the test as is shown in the new BSI standard, it doenst just test on a head on angle as no one is likely to just stand and get hit right between the eyes.

There are several instances of injury that show people in certain helmets getting injured so i fail to accept you statement that Nobody gets seriously injured....Pollard, Ferguson, McCullum, Maddy, Anderson, Dilshan, Fulton name a few in regards to the video evidence gathered and shown to us to illustrate the need for improvements to be made.

Either way your views are clearly set in stone and no one has the right to change them except you, its nice to see such emotion over something as simple as a cricket helmet selection!

A reasoned response.

Can you tell me how long Pollard, Ferguson, McCullum, Maddy, Anderson, Dilshan, Fulton were out of the game with their injuries?

AND:

Would your helmet 100% have prevented injuries to the above players from the exact same impact?

[Cricketforlove13]

Ayrtek ,

I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .

[roco]

I am a board member just not at masuri

I know company's don't spend money unless a reason if they want to stay in business

Yes r&d is important but from a business point of view players and fans love the old design so if it's right you would not change as it's still selling strong by sounds of it

But must be a reason they are re designing helmet maybe some secret deals which go on

Fun to speculate though

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Yes no problems...

Fulton had to retire from the game as he lost his depth perception, similar to Craig Spearman at Glos CCC where they received impacts to their eye sockets.

Pollard, Ferguson and McCullum all had to retire injured either with a broken nose or eye trauma through laceration.

Anderson retired and had concussion for 5 days after being struck on the nape of the neck

Dilshan had a laceration above his eye but continued to bat on.

As a company we would be exposing ourselves legally if we stated that we offer a 100% injury prevention rate, I think it would be naive if we stated this on the helmet/box. The aim of a cricket helmet is to help in the severity and occurrence of injuries.

The only way to 100% guarantee they didnt occur would be to wear a motorcycle helmet out to bat in which isnt practical for the purpose of the game. The goal is to achieve a balance between design and function that best protects the player.

[Nickauger]

Ayrtek ,

I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .

Mate, shut the (No Swearing Please) up! Roco stated he wasn't a fan of masuri, yet suddenly he's a board member, tom is not commenting on anything other than the fact that masuri have to change their design, therefore the shrey helmet is no good either. Yours are the rantings of a mad man, while hilarious.... completely nonsensical! At least Vic is trying yo write a reasoned response that at least tries to make sense!

And by the sounds of it, shrey are commenting on their products here! I wonder how much you're getting paid! It's pretty shameless pr to be honest.

[Cricketforlove13]

Someone has said somewhere in this forum that masuri was working on their new helmet since last 4 years and i don't believe that the new regs have come out then or even been discussed then , neither there current helmet had same popularity 4 years back . So , maybe sometime companies tries and develop new products which aint successful in the end and they even end up loosing the popular ones .

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Ayrtek ,

I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .

Thanks for the helpful advice, ill be sure to take it on-board.

[petehosk]

Ayrtek ,

I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .

He has only commented on what he was asked to comment on! And quite frankly, with the amount of research the likes if Tom does, he is very qualified to respond to most areas of the helmet industry!
We are very lucky to have an expert and innovator like Tom on this forum, and his knowledge and expertise would be greatly missed, whereas yours would not be!! 
So I suggest you engage your brain before hitting the 'Post' button next time!!

[Nickauger]

Or engage your brain, then decide not to post regardless, cos there's clearly not a huge amount in there.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Someone has said somewhere in this forum that masuri was working on their new helmet since last 4 years and i don't believe that the new regs have come out then or even been discussed then , neither there current helmet had same popularity 4 years back . So , maybe sometime companies tries and develop new products which aint successful in the end and they even end up loosing the popular ones .

We were made aware of areas of weakness within the current market back in 2007 when we went about designing our helmet, im sure other brands were aware of the issues as well at this time hence working on improving the safety provided by designing new versions.

The new standard has been researched over the last 2 years to address the issue of testing helmets to meet this improved standard. Im sure if Shrey email the BSI they will forward the research to them that has been carried out by the Sports Technology lab in L'boro along with the draft BSI standard.

My advice to you is to get a member of your company onto the committee so that you are fully upto speed about these changes then at least you can make fully informed posts about the topic.

[tim2000s]

Someone has said somewhere in this forum that masuri was working on their new helmet since last 4 years and i don't believe that the new regs have come out then or even been discussed then , neither there current helmet had same popularity 4 years back . So , maybe sometime companies tries and develop new products which aint successful in the end and they even end up loosing the popular ones .

Think you'll find Merv Hughes talking about it in this interview, rather than a claim from "someone on the forum": https://audioboo.fm/boos/1556409-merv-hughes-on-new-innovative-masuri-helmets He says "People think it's a six or nine month innovation, when they've been working on it for four years", at the end of the interview.

What we keep coming back to is that at professional level, and it seems, lower levels, many existing helmet designs are not as protective as people believe they are, and that, following an ICC Medical Panel review of video footage of people being damaged through the helmet, the ICC has mandated that changes are made and that all helmets used in ICC competitions will need to meet this new standard.

As a result, the British Standard for helmets is being updated, and off the back of this, the ISO standard for helmets will be updated.

What you wear at club level will be entirely up to you, if you choose to wear a helmet, but lets stop slinging mud around where it is undue and presenting emotion dressed up as fact.

[Vic Nicholas]

As a company we would be exposing ourselves legally if we stated that we offer a 100% injury prevention rate, I think it would be naive if we stated this on the helmet/box. The aim of a cricket helmet is to help in the severity and occurrence of injuries.

The only way to 100% guarantee they didnt occur would be to wear a motorcycle helmet out to bat in which isnt practical for the purpose of the game. The goal is to achieve a balance between design and function that best protects the player.

That is my whole point Tom.

New regs, old regs, whatever, no one brand can claim to 100% prevent injury, because as you stated, the only way to prevent head injuries all together is to come out to bat in a motor cycle helmet!

Obviously, that is never going to be a practical solution as a cricketing helmet has to be light and have excellent ventilation.

It is my contention that cricket helmets have already succeeded over the last 30 years in preventing the more serious injuries that used to occur before where those players I mentioned all suffered from broken jaws, broken/flattened noses and in old Bert Oldfield's case, I think Larwood gave him a fractured skull from something that would have just bounced off a helmet these days.

In that respect, we already have a wonderful improvement.

I am extremely sceptical that the new regs will make helmets any safer than what they presently without compromising the aspects that we so much cherish about the game.

Cheers mate,
Vic

[Vic Nicholas]

Think you'll find Merv Hughes talking about it in this interview, rather than a claim from "someone on the forum": https://audioboo.fm/boos/1556409-merv-hughes-on-new-innovative-masuri-helmets He says "People think it's a six or nine month innovation, when they've been working on it for four years", at the end of the interview.

What we keep coming back to is that at professional level, and it seems, lower levels, many existing helmet designs are not as protective as people believe they are, and that, following an ICC Medical Panel review of video footage of people being damaged through the helmet, the ICC has mandated that changes are made and that all helmets used in ICC competitions will need to meet this new standard.

As a result, the British Standard for helmets is being updated, and off the back of this, the ISO standard for helmets will be updated.

What you wear at club level will be entirely up to you, if you choose to wear a helmet, but lets stop slinging mud around where it is undue and presenting emotion dressed up as fact.

With all due respect, the most serious injuries I have ever seen on a cricket field have been Keegan Meth getting a ball smashed back at 100mph straight into his mouth while he was bowling...will they legislate that bowlers should wear helmets? If they are consistent, they would.

The absolute worst injury I have seen in cricket was Rick Darling of Australia. Rick Darling was struck by a ball by Bob Willis on the heart going for a pull shot. Darling collapsed on the pitch and nearly died but for some quick thinking of John Emburey who realised Darling had swallowed his tongue. Should all players be forced to wear chest protectors?

Cricket head gear should be a choice and it should serve a primary purpose of protecting the player, while also being appealing to wear for adults who are not obligated to wear it.

I am sure common sense will prevail.