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[Vic Nicholas]

So what I have learnt from the 12 pages on Shrey helmets is that they appear to be the same design as the popular Masuri helmet, they can do them in pink, Vic Nicholas is very attached and over protective about them and to some up the helmet market YOU PAYS YOUR MONEY AND TAKES YOUR CHOICE!

...and you have shown yourself to be smarter than most.

[MD2812]

Did I read that correctly?

Are you insinuating that you would pay MORE for a Masuri in preference to a Shrey even though they are BOTH made in the exact same factory in Jalandhar by the same workers with only the labelling being different?

I hope that is not what you meant and I merely misunderstood the tenor of your point.

Pretty much, after this thread I spoke to some friends about Shrey helmets last night. The opinion was that it's a cheap knock off of Masuri. Nobody asked where Masuri were made, nobody asked where Shrey were made. The 2 helmets could be identical(put in my friends hands), all my friends would choose the Masuri. Brand strength.

I don't want to have to explain to everyone my helmet isn't a cheap knock off but made at the same place etc etc. It would be like a kid turning up with "Niek" trainers to school....

[MD2812]

It is called throwing misinformation out there to see who are twats and who are not.

The Soviets and the CIA used to do it all the time.

You fell for it and have shown your true character.

What a weed!

Something you do regularly on this forum, not realising it makes you look the (No Swearing Please).

If someone believe's it you can act all high and mighty whilst shooting down other people's comments.

If someone questions it then it's purposefully misleading to ought people who might stand up to you...

Oh how clever you are in these posts you cannot lose from. You are a true keyboard warrior and I hope you get some extra internets for your hard work.


Why did Masuri leave the Shrey factory? Is this information known?

[Vic Nicholas]

Pretty much, after this thread I spoke to some friends about Shrey helmets last night. The opinion was that it's a cheap knock off of Masuri. Nobody asked where Masuri were made, nobody asked where Shrey were made. The 2 helmets could be identical, all my friends would choose the Masuri. Brand strength.

I don't want to have to explain to everyone my helmet isn't a cheap knock off but made at the same place etc etc. It would be like a kid turning up with "Niek" trainers to school....

Simply bizarre rationale.

But I respect that anyway.

It is a bit like a kid paying nearly 800 dollars for a Kookaburra Kahuna when he can have the exact same bat made in the same factory by SG (who are the main company) for less than half the price.

Same with any number of gloves and pads that are made on the same production line, but merely have different decals printed on.

Cheap knock off?

[arsenal123]

I'm pretty sure there's a white room with your name on the door waiting for you somewhere?

Why are you being so weird about things? As in what is your angle?  I can't really understand where you're coming from.  Aside from the rantings of a mad man, sum up as few words as possible and we might know what the hell you're going on about.

Thus far we have had international conspiracies, falls of empires, misinformation, name dropping, soviets, cia.  All over cricket helmets of all things!

Additionally.

Well summed up 'Spanky'.

[Vic Nicholas]

Something you do regularly on this forum, not realising it makes you look the (No Swearing Please).

If someone believe's it you can act all high and mighty whilst shooting down other people's comments.

If someone questions it then it's purposefully misleading to ought people who might stand up to you...

Oh how clever you are in these posts you cannot lose from. You are a true keyboard warrior and I hope you get some extra internets for your hard work.


Why did Masuri leave the Shrey factory? Is this information known?

I post under my own name.

You and most other cowards on here do not.

Who is the keyboard warrior then?

[jamielsn15]

Why is it whenever I read this thread and one side of the debate am I minded of Desmond Tutu's quote - "Don't shout, get a better argument."?

Any chance we can ask this banned forum member who can enlighten us on why we're being duped by the British Government (and I love a conspiracy); who killed JFK, where's Elvis, what really happened at Roswell and, most importantly, why KP isn't batting at 3 or 4 in this ODI series?

I think the reason players stick with/go back to a certain brand/design is, as has previously been touched on, familiarity.  They put their trust in the manufacturers that the helmet is fit for purpose.  Bell tried the Kookaburra helmet, went back to Masuri.  Broad went back to his, I would guess, because he wanted one less thing to think about while batting.  We all know what it's like with new gear - there's a period of getting used to it.  Broad clearly likes the Aditek - he's worn it for England and Notts, but probably wants some extended netting time in it to get used to it.  I may be wrong, maybe he hates it, but no-ones forcing him to wear it, it's his choice.  At test level I imagine, you have a finite amount of time to get used to new gear - maybe the back end of an English summer and build up to an Ashes tour wasn't the best time to introduce a new lid to him.  Carberry's been wearing his for a while now.

Are people terrified we'll see batsman running up to fielders waving their Ayrteks/Aditeks in their face?  Tell you what, let's call these people 'progressive helmophobes....'

If people want to wear a Masuri/Shrey, fine.  I just get the feeling that, in 10 years time, traditional helmets such as those with be in the minority.  Look at American Football - one or two different designs that evolve almost every season and are safety tested rigorously.  Surely we want that in cricket?  Technology and cricket equipment moves on.  I for one am happy in the knowledge that the helmet I use has been tested sufficiently enough that I'm not going to lose my teeth or fracture an eye socket.    If the Masuri/Shrey prevents that as well and they have a place in future global markets, great.  I just don't see the need to be tribal about it and, seriously, the generalising of colonialism and that all us English are the same is, frankly, offensive.  It dilutes your points significantly.  I refer you to my opening sentence.

[Vic Nicholas]

I'm pretty sure there's a white room with your name on the door waiting for you somewhere?

Why are you being so weird about things? As in what is your angle?  I can't really understand where you're coming from.  Aside from the rantings of a mad man, sum up as few words as possible and we might know what the hell you're going on about.

Thus far we have had international conspiracies, falls of empires, misinformation, name dropping, soviets, cia.  All over cricket helmets of all things!

Additionally.

Well summed up 'Spanky'.

Again, you have not answered the question...

What do you do for a living in the corporate world?

How successful at it are you?

Can  you share the secret of your success so I can be just like you?

[Kieron_BT]

I don't want to have to explain to everyone my helmet isn't a cheap knock off but made at the same place etc etc. It would be like a kid turning up with "Niek" trainers to school....

Without wanting to get into this debate I don't quite understand your point here. Seeing as we all part of a Custom Bat Forum purchasing bats from smaller brands that most regular crickets probably haven't heard off wouldn't the same principle then be the same for the bats we buy off here? I quite enjoy telling people abouts bats from smaller companies. That doesn't make them inferior to the big brands does it or a 'cheap knock off' as you say?

We purchase bats from smaller bat companies because we know we are getting a top standard product for less money than it would cost just becuase it has a GM or Kook badge on it. So whats the difference between buying a Shrey instead of a Masuri and explaining the reason why?

[Super tech]

We have also learnt that if you look at the masuri website the new masuri test looks pretty much like there old helmet ... Just a more modern version to passs the new standard?? !

[Wickets-then-runs]

This has more drama than an episode of Neighbours... (So I've heard, anyway) 

[Jimmyg]

I'm so glad this thread has been reopened! It was so boring without this thread to read, the Middle East conflict is about the only global issue that hasn't been dragged into this thread, sure it won't be long until it is!

[Vitas Cricket]

We have also learnt that if you look at the masuri website the new masuri test looks pretty much like there old helmet ... Just a more modern version to passs the new standard?? !

The VS test and VS Club look quite similar to previous models yes. They do have the HALO system though, because they don't  have the double bar grille the gap between peak and grille is quite small.

[Aussie]

Sorry I started this thread, as it's led to fighting and bickering.
Good to see new companes/brands out there as consumer choice is what benefits.
But I feel people are a lot like myself. Brand loyal. Albion has seen me through juniors and into seniors. And protected my head in 3 different countries playing the game we all cherish. Just as I'm sure Ayrtek/GM/Forma/Masuri/Gray Nicholls have done for others. Even though Albion don't sponsor anyone, it doesn't bother me as I know my head will always be protected to the top level. All those years making lids and grilles has to count for something.
Vic Nicholas, I certainly understand the point and sentiments you are attempting to make, but please mate, take it from a fellow Aussie, you're sounding (From what I read) like a small child who's just had his sandcastle knocked over in the schoolyard sandpit.
People ultimately will make their own decisions. And here in Australia, you'll know that many flocked to Masuri as they were different and new to Albions which is what we were brought up with. But amazingly here in Melbourne at least, people are flocking back to Albions as the novalty of Masuri is starting to wear off.
I fear the same trend to happen with Shrey. They'll sell initially due to being a different and new brand, but ultimately over a short period of time, people will go back to their tried and true methods when their novalty wears off.

[MD2812]

Without wanting to get into this debate I don't quite understand your point here. Seeing as we all part of a Custom Bat Forum purchasing bats from smaller brands that most regular crickets probably haven't heard off wouldn't the same principle then be the same for the bats we buy off here? I quite enjoy telling people abouts bats from smaller companies. That doesn't make them inferior to the big brands does it or a 'cheap knock off' as you say?

We purchase bats from smaller bat companies because we know we are getting a top standard product for less money than it would cost just becuase it has a GM or Kook badge on it. So whats the difference between buying a Shrey instead of a Masuri and explaining the reason why?

A very good point, I guess I have made an opinion of a difference in the 2 products. I do not see Shrey doing their own thing, take the badge off a Shrey and Masuri you cannot see the difference (or at least I cannot).

With the custom bats the manufacturers are doing their own thing on a smaller and more personal scale. Same as Ayrtek is a difference helmet to what is already offered.

I enjoy telling people bout my custom bats and talk about what they do differently to GM. My Laver was made to my specifications, it has a thicker toe than most bats would but (and I'm still not sure how) Laver made the bat to have no bottom heavy influence.

With Shrey all I can say is they used to make Masuri, now they don't. But it's same factory etc.

This is my opinion and certainly not fact.

Also I am not at any point saying Shrey are a cheap knock off, just that that was the opinion of those I mentioned it to.