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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2013, 08:53:21 PM »

If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.

Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2013, 09:08:05 PM »

If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.

Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.

Would definetly agree with that although he's not the future based on age he's looked compact and not phased by pace unlike some of the lineup
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2013, 09:14:56 PM »

I think it's easy to forget that we are judging this team in what is the pinnacle of the sport for most English and Australian players. The most pressure they will face in their careers will be in an ashes series. Carberry and stokes will have a summer of friendlier attacks to feast on in the summer. Lets not judge too quickly.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2013, 12:11:21 AM »

If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.

Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.

you also need to hold absolute dolly series changing catches....

don't et me wrong, we all do it sometimes, but that together with his zen Watson like insistence on moderately attractive 40s followed by dismissals that come from nowhere do not a test cricketer of a 33 year old make.  He might do something in the next two games to prove that he has the skills but at the moment he is doing nothing to suggest that Nick Compton was treated fairly...

and that from someone who likes Carberry and dislikes Compton!
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2013, 05:35:43 AM »

That England need to find some English talent.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2013, 04:03:11 PM »

What do people think of Carberrys trigger movement?

to me when watching it seems a really big one, I often wonder if he could be bowled around his legs

Is there anyone who has a bigger trigger movement? Maybe Shiv?
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2013, 05:23:40 PM »

Carberry was just unlucky in the last 2 test with how he got out, i personally think he should be opening for england at least for another year. The only thing i still feel odd is that why have they dropped Compton after his 2 ton in india n nz, he was playing fine for england, maybe not as good as expected but still, he shouldve been in the ashes squad and he should definitely be back in england test squad after what happening with the team right now, dont think Ballance is quite ready for test level yet but he will be in a year or so time.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2013, 05:24:24 PM »

If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.

Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.
I think Carberry looks like he can do the job and has been unlucky a couple of times when he could have gone on to a big score. I hope the wheel of fortune turns round for him in the next couple of tests or he might find himself cast aside.

As for his catching. Anybody remember KP when he started in the England side? He shelled everything.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2013, 05:31:39 PM »

It has proven he uses a decent bat!
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2013, 05:56:37 PM »

Is there anyone who has a bigger trigger movement? Maybe Shiv?

Simon Katich, Basharat Hassan and Kim Barnett are the only one who spring to mind. 
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2013, 08:33:24 PM »

I think Carberry would make a decent number 3 and next season use Robson as the other opener. Bell then bats at 4, Root at 5 and Stokes / Keeper at 6/7.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2013, 08:49:02 PM »

I think Carberry would make a decent number 3 and next season use Robson as the other opener. Bell then bats at 4, Root at 5 and Stokes / Keeper at 6/7.

Carberry's age will be a factor as he is a stop gap for the next 1-4 of years. I cannot see him getting moved about too much. Would like a big score out of him in the remaining couple of matches.

I am not sure whether they will throw Root back to the top when the Ashes are over and there is slightly less pressure to perform to give him the grounding for it.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2013, 09:37:25 PM »


What do people think of Carberrys trigger movement?

to me when watching it seems a really big one, I often wonder if he could be bowled around his legs

Is there anyone who has a bigger trigger movement? Maybe Shiv?

I've watched him a fair bit at Hants and he wasn't out as a direct result of it this season; in fact, he is surprisingly unsusceptible to LBWs generally for someone who likes to play around his front pad. Strong off his pads and particularly his hip too, maybe in part due to the exaggerated trigger.

To clarify, I don't doubt Carberry's ability to manage at Test level but I don't think he is any closer to the finished article at this level than other options which at his age is a problem. If England was in desperate need of a Rogers 'type' then fine but I think their problems lie elsewhere.

Anyway, I gather there's been some social media commotion in response to a Cricinfo Stokes/Sobers 'comparison'!


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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2013, 10:39:44 PM »

Carberry's age will be a factor as he is a stop gap for the next 1-4 of years. I cannot see him getting moved about too much. Would like a big score out of him in the remaining couple of matches.

I am not sure whether they will throw Root back to the top when the Ashes are over and there is slightly less pressure to perform to give him the grounding for it.

1-4 years isn't a bad stop gap, if it was 4 years then why not. Hopefully Carberry will be given a bit of a run, unlike Crompton who may well have proved his worth if given time.
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Re: What has Ben Stokes' century proven?
« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2013, 10:43:46 PM »

1-4 years isn't a bad stop gap, if it was 4 years then why not. Hopefully Carberry will be given a bit of a run, unlike Crompton who may well have proved his worth if given time.

It is not, but he is there to do a job until the next youngster is ready. That may be a years time, or longer. He has had some good starts, but just need a to get that big'un to keep his place secure.
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