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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2013, 02:05:30 PM »

He hasn't got an arm ball to right handed batsmen.

He has, its the same one, its just not much of a threat to them!
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2013, 02:39:56 PM »


Heads when it's overcast, tails when it's sunny. Everyone knows that.


That is one of the most bizarre things I've ever read. Haha

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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2013, 12:20:47 PM »

He has, its the same one, its just not much of a threat to them!
How would an arm ball to a right hander from over the wicket be the same as an arm ball from round the wicket to a lefty to be the same?

Two totally different skills. Bowling to right and left handers requires different skills.

After 5 years, Swann's failed to make the continual improvements to challenge top class right handers.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2013, 12:24:34 PM »

How would an arm ball to a right hander from over the wicket be the same as an arm ball from round the wicket to a lefty to be the same?

Two totally different skills. Bowling to right and left handers requires different skills.

After 5 years, Swann's failed to make the continual improvements to challenge top class right handers.

Not sure if serious...
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2013, 01:35:20 PM »

Not sure if serious...

Isn't an arm ball one that goes straight on?

So would be the same ball to righties and lefties?  It would only be the end product (past edge or bat/into pads) that's be different.

I think (and I may be wrong) that he is talking about a doosra, that spins away from the right hander.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2013, 01:57:23 PM »

I think (and I may be wrong) that he is talking about a doosra, that spins away from the right hander.

And hasn't there been vast amounts of cumulative viewing of videos of off spinners that has resulted in the opinion that none of those who claim to have a doosra actually bowl it legitimately, rather that they all chuck it?
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2013, 02:02:40 PM »

Isn't an arm ball one that goes straight on?

So would be the same ball to righties and lefties?  It would only be the end product (past edge or bat/into pads) that's be different.

I think (and I may be wrong) that he is talking about a doosra, that spins away from the right hander.
I'm not talking about the doosra.

Bowling the arm ball to right handers is difficult.

The great Muralidaran only perfected his towards the end of his career.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2013, 02:04:07 PM »

And hasn't there been vast amounts of cumulative viewing of videos of off spinners that has resulted in the opinion that none of those who claim to have a doosra actually bowl it legitimately, rather that they all chuck it?
Saqlain didn't throw it.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2013, 02:36:35 PM »

Saqlain didn't throw it.

Neither did Sonny Ramadhin, nor most of the doosra bowlers from the past.

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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2013, 06:58:35 PM »

Saqlain didn't throw it.

oh yes he bloody well did!
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2013, 07:09:01 PM »

I'm not talking about the doosra.

Bowling the arm ball to right handers is difficult.

The great Muralidaran only perfected his towards the end of his career.

How to bowl an arm ball to the right hander

Bowl it.
Don't let it turn.

How difficult can it be?
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2013, 07:12:06 PM »

How to bowl an arm ball to the right hander

Bowl it.
Don't let it turn.

How difficult can it be?

It's pretty different… The angle you bowl it in at, how you conceal it… Yeah, he can probably bowl one to a right hander, it's just not as effective as the one he bowls against left handed batsman.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2013, 07:16:07 PM »

It's pretty different… The angle you bowl it in at, how you conceal it… Yeah, he can probably bowl one to a right hander, it's just not as effective as the one he bowls against left handed batsman.

I presume, not being much of a bowler, that the reason he does better to lefties is because of the amount of spin? An arm ball,bit of drift maybe and goes straight on,lefties play for spin, through the gate and bowled.

For right handers, the only real way would be for an edge? Much smaller target to hit.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2013, 07:29:14 PM »

I presume, not being much of a bowler, that the reason he does better to lefties is because of the amount of spin? An arm ball,bit of drift maybe and goes straight on,lefties play for spin, through the gate and bowled.

For right handers, the only real way would be for an edge? Much smaller target to hit.

Yeah, that's probably right. ;) I don't know much about spin bowling either, (Wish I brought my Bob Woolmer book with me now!) but I know from bowling it that off spin bowling from round the wicket is pretty different from over. Maybe because of the way your body works as a whole, as you twist a little more when bowling from round the wicket, so maybe more revs and drift. Also, you play deliveries moving into you differently from deliveries moving away, so good right handers have no problem playing balls that move into their pads. A coach once told me that I should look to bowl outswing rather than stick with my inswing, because as I go up a few levels, you'll find that batsmen prefer to play in-swing, as they just let the ball run off the bat, but as soon as you get that lateral movement away from them, that's when you will get an edge. After you bowl a few overs of that, and the batsmen get used to that, then bowl the ball that swings in, and pin them lbw or bowl them. As a result, I've not taken many wickets this season… :-[

I'm guessing in a way, that's basically what Swann is aiming for when he bowls that arm ball to a leftie.
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Re: An observation about Swann
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2013, 08:39:55 PM »

Or you could do what Nathan Lyon does and create the angle by coming around the wicket. His 'straight onner' ball had us in all sorts of bother.
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