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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2014, 04:58:25 PM »

Oil affects bat performance? Really? Please show me some evidence of this!ha
Some bats seem to need more oil, some I've had in the past, I've not oiled. Depends on the bats moisture content, surely, and where in the world you are etc.

You have to put something on a 'natural' product to protect it,,if you want it to last
Scuff sheets, gotta be honest, I'm not a big fan, but hey ho. Keeps the plastics industry in jobs I suppose

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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2014, 05:12:05 PM »

I do find that a bat that has ben treated with Salix's bat wax will perform slightly better (in my perception at least) than one treated with Linseed.

You must have very perceptive senses to ascertain the difference. What benefits have you found?
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2014, 05:27:50 PM »

I over oiled a bat and it went rock solid. Still went ok but no real ping. I under oil all my bats now. I use salix bat wax and give a bat 1, maybe 2 coats a year. Normally after a refurb. I will stick a sheet on as well which helps prevent moisture loss.

I recall my father showing me his first bat. An old GM which looked like David Dickinson. It was like a brick. No ping, but perfectly preserved.
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2014, 05:31:10 PM »

A lad at our club had an awesome puma. Refurbed it, then used a full bottle of oil on it.

It was so dead after.
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2014, 05:37:17 PM »

Ok so as someone who refurbs his bats every winter, involves light sanding, oiling I am not sure I agree that oiling a bat kills the ping. I have noticed that when I do oil the bat (used ones) I have to knock it a little bit again and its back to its usual pingy self but that came from what I understood about how linseed oil works, which is, oil seeps into the fibers and then cures to create a vapour barrier so if something cures I am assuming it also hardens a little bit as well hence the second knocking in process.

Can you over oil a bat? yes, especially anything with HW. I find HW does not absorb oil as quickly as sapwood, also might not need as much.

Anyways, I oil my bats and I don't think it has a positive or negative impact on how a bat pings, atleast not on mine that i could tell. Bats do feel a little better to knock after oiling etc but thats it, plus i like the look of an oiled bat better than un-oiled bat.

One main difference between oiling a new bat vs refurbing an old bat is I use 3 coats of oil on a new bat over 3-24 hr periods where old bats get only 1 coat and sometimes none depending on how dry they look...
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2014, 05:40:47 PM »



I opened that bottle just over a year ago. I knock in on average probably around 10-15 bats a week, some parts of the year i will have a LOT more than that to do, other times i'll have less.

But my point is, that is the oil i have used in this 13 month period. Some bats need a little oil, some need more oil. No bat needs a lot of oil.

Anyone suggesting it deadens the bat has probably used too much.

The average person, even the average CBF-er probably only needs one bottle of oil for life. I do warn everyone who purchases oil that they do not need to use very much. But i guess some see a big bottle and assume they need a few big glugs per bat.
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2014, 05:47:50 PM »

The increase in popularity of the scuff sheet has meant oil is less essential.

Oils major use is to act as a barrier, preventing moisture loss. A scuff sheet does a very similar job.

I feel oil is also useful to soften the fibres of a bat during knocking in. Does oil actually add moisture to a bat? My feeling is no because it cures, and if you look at Julian Millichamps videos you will see it does not penetrate very deep.

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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2014, 05:50:14 PM »

I'm so torn about the whole oiling issue. Personally, I always oil my bats, lightly and frequently, and enjoy doing so. My bats perform beautifully and get better year after year.
But I have now heard from several respectable sources to not oil the face (back is ok.)
Even JM seems to have changed his view on oiling. He says in one of his later videos that he prefers a scuff sheet + unoiled face.
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2014, 05:51:00 PM »

Oil affects bat performance? Really? Please show me some evidence of this!ha
Some bats seem to need more oil, some I've had in the past, I've not oiled. Depends on the bats moisture content, surely, and where in the world you are etc.

You have to put something on a 'natural' product to protect it,,if you want it to last
Scuff sheets, gotta be honest, I'm not a big fan, but hey ho. Keeps the plastics industry in jobs I suppose

That's the thing isnt it, cant really quantify.  Unlike golf clubs where I can physically quantify performance of one versus another for me.
Surely though, if oil improved performance, then pros would most certainly be applying it?
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2014, 09:34:52 PM »



I opened that bottle just over a year ago. I knock in on average probably around 10-15 bats a week, some parts of the year i will have a LOT more than that to do, other times i'll have less.

But my point is, that is the oil i have used in this 13 month period. Some bats need a little oil, some need more oil. No bat needs a lot of oil.

Anyone suggesting it deadens the bat has probably used too much.

The average person, even the average CBF-er probably only needs one bottle of oil for life. I do warn everyone who purchases oil that they do not need to use very much. But i guess some see a big bottle and assume they need a few big glugs per bat.

This! I'd used about a quarter of a bottle since 2006, this includes refurbing other peoples bats, doing all my own and making an experimental batch of bat wax.
I leant it to a clubmate to oil his refurbed Newbury Tour, he gave it back with a dribble left in the bottom and said "It was really dry after sanding so I did 4 light coats instead of the 1 or 2 you suggested."
He obviously doesn't get the idea of a light coat! (And the said Tour isn't going to be used this season for some reason...)
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Re: "A blast from the past..."
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2014, 09:43:19 PM »

My bottle of linseed oil is now over ten years old..... I think it has practically cured in the bottle, and i'm finally into the last third, in spite of being on  the forum for four or so years....

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