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[ProCricketer1982]

Which all begs the question: does the academy system produce mediocre cricketers?

Yes!! Because they grow up being told they are good and get used or it and become complacent, lazy and have attitude issues. You see it all the time with football. That kid who was good when 10-15 gets lauded, stops improving and by 20 has been over taken by the lesser players who missed out bUT still has the attitude he's the best.  We al know players like it as well which shows how true it is!!

Example: umpiring for a under 15 game, 'fast' bowler keeps bowling reasonable balls but nothing special.  Spends his time getting told by his coach (in game) how good he is and 'staring down' a batsmen. When he made an appeal I turned him down and gave him a reason (so he learns to. It appeal when it pitches outside leg!) and I get the following response 'what do you know, I'm county so I know best'


I just laughed and thought 'proper tool. He will be a classic example I'm sure.

[FattusCattus]

Smiler, surely we've already got a 4th seamer who bats at 6, and everyone seems to be positive about him?

We're not talking about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but we are not going to win test series with a non-wicket taking spinner, an undercooked, inexperienced keeper and a top 3 lacking in confidence.

Anyway, such is the joy of the forum, that is only my opinion. I don't like to see an England side packed with too many 'steady' players I'd like to see a couple of youngsters make a name for themselves over the next couple of years.

[Number 11]

Wasn't that what they did with woakes and Kerrigan? And they both failed?

Not really sure if one test each is enough to decide they're pants. If they both had worse results after 2 or even 3 tests then try other replacements.
England are at the stage where over half the team are in poor form, carrying injuries or just jaded and the next generation are not prepared.

[Jason_Yuan]

Wasn't that what they did with woakes and Kerrigan? And they both failed?






Bring Ravi bopara back, he can bat at 6 and be our 4th seamer.......

woakes n kerrigan both deserve another chance, i wouldnt say panesar bowl well at all in the test.... dont need another number 6, stokes kinda secure his place already, bowl well as a 4th seamer and can bat too, can't see the point of bringing finn, rankin  and ballance in the squad and not letting them have a match, surely Broad should rest up in case of further injury on his ankle and one of the tall bowler will come in, prefer finn but rankin should get a chance, ballance could replace root whos not batting that well, move bell to 3 n ballance 5

[WalkingWicket37]

woakes n kerrigan both deserve another chance, i wouldnt say panesar bowl well at all in the test.... dont need another number 6, stokes kinda secure his place already, bowl well as a 4th seamer and can bat too, can't see the point of bringing finn, rankin  and ballance in the squad and not letting them have a match, surely Broad should rest up in case of further injury on his ankle and one of the tall bowler will come in, prefer finn but rankin should get a chance, ballance could replace root whos not batting that well, move bell to 3 n ballance 5

If they don't get a game then this tour will be even more of a farce than it already is (if that's possible).

Don't see why the selectors have done what they have with the squad at all...

[smokem]

Jeez you are a fickle lot.

Carberry is currently the 2nd leading run scorer in the series for England (probably leading scorer before this game), yet has no future in the team after one lean game...

Monty out bowled Swann in his first game. Then Cook used him very sparingly in the game - even had Root bowl ahead of him in the 2nd dig which, the Sky team rightly said, did nothing for his confidence when he came onto bowl (and a major insult). So that's probably as much Cook's fault as Monty's...

If anyone should be dropped, it should be the selectors! All these tall, fast "menacing" quicks included in the squad and none played in Perth. But instead you had Bresnan and Stokes as 3rd and 4th seamers. That's just moronic!

And Cook does not know how to lead a side when the chips are down. There's no imagination in his captaincy and tactical nous is totally lacking. Unfortunately I can't see anyone one else in the current XI who is capable of leading the side besides KP. And I can't see that happening...

[Number4]

The difference between these 2 teams at the moment is Lehman has this team playing like a bunch of mates.. All smiling, all encouraging each other, even so called rifts between players like Clarke and Watson seem to be gone... England seem to have lost that mateship, the trust have gone... Not sure how or why but they need to find that certain motivation that will pull them back together... They are playing as individuals not as a team and I would not be one bit surprised if Swann was talking about his team when he made that statement after he retired.

[skip1973]

How can they have trust when they have a guy that turned his back on his own country, got a coach he didn't like sacked, texted his own countrymen tips on how to get his adopted country's captain out. As talented as KP is he doesn't get too many team mates sitting next to him in the change room.

[beaver5]

So Flower wants to stay on and keep Cook as captain. Great, can't wait for the summer test series to arrive with the same old face doing the same old thing. Cook should go and Flower really should know that if he's going to lead England forward with purpose. Expect James Taylor will be crying into his cornflakes when he reads this this morning!

[Number4]

So.... 5-Zip anyone? 

[uknsaunders]

So.... 5-Zip anyone? 

Yep I think we're all going for 5-0. Be a surprise if it wasn't.

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[Gingerbusiness]

Cook
Root
Bell
Pieterson
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Broad
Finn
Anderson
Panesar

Simple.

[Sam]

I'd go for the exact same team as last time but bring Bell in at 3 and drop Root down. Root didn't look very comfortable at 3 to me and Carberry seems to get bogged down as soon as he comes in so surely that is logical?

[Number4]

I'd bring Bell up to 3 and drop Panesar and bring in Borthwick

[smilley792]

Just seen the highlights for this,


Second set off innings, England truly was shocking. The fielding was embarrassing. Monty has to go his batting and fielding are actually a hindrance, and his bowling doesn't look like it adds much. Surely we have someone better?