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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2013, 11:14:28 AM »

There is no one with experience. The only players left in the team is Bell, KP, Anderson. BROAD is a joke T20 skipper let alone anything else! Prior isn't in the team, KP is not in form and has the history.Anderson is a moaner/sully and that isn't capt material. Bell is the only option if you want a senior player but he doesn't seem a presence on the field and tbh, at 31 I'd rather just have him at 3 and concentrating on batting.


I'd give a few players a game in Sydney (rankin, ballance) and once back in the uk I'd hope they produce a 3-5 year plan, maybe even bring in the kids and build a side again. If that means a junior player like smith was then so be it, better than giving it to a bit part player just because they are senior!! Not broad whatever happens.. Walking ego
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2013, 11:20:19 AM »

There is no one with experience. The only players left in the team is Bell, KP, Anderson. BROAD is a joke T20 skipper let alone anything else! Prior isn't in the team, KP is not in form and has the history.Anderson is a moaner/sully and that isn't capt material. Bell is the only option if you want a senior player but he doesn't seem a presence on the field and tbh, at 31 I'd rather just have him at 3 and concentrating on batting.


I'd give a few players a game in Sydney (rankin, ballance) and once back in the uk I'd hope they produce a 3-5 year plan, maybe even bring in the kids and build a side again. If that means a junior player like smith was then so be it, better than giving it to a bit part player just because they are senior!! Not broad whatever happens.. Walking ego
Root could be England captain much sooner than expected if they go for a junior player then. Can't see England going down that route though.
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 11:23:32 AM »

Root could be England captain much sooner than expected if they go for a junior player then. Can't see England going down that route though.

Me neither but that only leaves keeping Cook or broad. I'd rather they don't have a skipper than have broad tbh.
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 12:13:39 PM »

Jo Root isn't the worst shout in the world tbh much rather him than Broad.

Flower I think was always lined up to leave at the end of this tour or maybe after the summer as we have no winter tour planned so would have given England a while to find a replacement. But Cook is not going to go Anywhere. It's his first major failing as captain and also probably some of the worst form he has been in since he played international cricket. His captaincy is not the most inventive in the world but by and large it gets the job done.

Player wise we either need to stick or twist. Prior is by far and away different league to Bairstow BUT JB has basically carried drinks for 12months, hardly played any competitive cricket last county season as was always in England squads but not playing and then this tour gets chucked in when all is lost and Aussies are cock a hoop. Personally he would not be my choice to replace Prior but that's because I don't think prior needs replacing yet just needs a break.

Carberry has looked good without making a big score and combined with cooks poor form at present doesn't give you a solid opening stand but until one of the young guns is really ready ( I hear about Robson but until hearing about I'm on this forum no idea who he was) Carberry is the best bet. Root again is just out of form and luck, KP is world class and still deserves his place as in my view is Ian Bell, stokes has been good since coming in, wk position is one for debate. Then we have the problem we used to have a strong lower order are up of genuine all rounders, broad used to score regular, Swann the same and Bresnan but that has fallen away over past couple of series. Personally I am not a fan of Broad and honestly believe we have a better player in this country than him for out test team both in terms of ability and the way he conducts himself. Bresnan has bowled around 80mph from what is seen and looks terrified of MJ so he needs to go for me again never really seen what he adds to the team. Swann has retired. Then Jimmy and Monty true 10 & 11.

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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2013, 12:22:53 PM »

Light of day

Cook should keep the captaincy but this has to be the curve he needs maybe this will hunger the players there is simply nobody else and i hope he goes on from here.

As for the team.

Do we need a new keeper in the background yes i think Prior will come back strong i hope he does.

Spinner for sure we need one maybe a Bothwick or Adil Racheed type all rounder and stick with them.

Stokes is quality although i do not overly rate Root he is a good batsman and will get better.

Bell and KP are world class simple as that so we could go one or two ways.

We need a quick bowler .

My team

Cook
Chopra
Bell
KP
Root
Stokes
Prior
Borthwick/Adil
Board
Finn/Rankin/Overton
Anderson
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2013, 12:45:22 PM »

Cook should stay as captain. He's our best bat and had decent results before this series. Clarke had plenty of bad series as captain before this one.

I would like to see rankin and borthwick play in the last test 
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2013, 12:53:14 PM »

Not surprised by this in the slightest.  Actually pleased to read about it.  I had the misfortune of watching most of the play last night (staying up late drinking on my birthday helped!) and his captaincy was laughably bad.  The field placings were far too defensive for the situation - it was as though he was more interested in saving runs than taking wickets - and the way he shuffled the bowlers was a joke - no point in picking Monty if he's just going to play second fiddle to Root and get taken off after a two over spell.

In addition, Cook has no leadership qualities whatsoever.  He is a passive observer of a man.  He scored far more runs when he wasn't burdened with the pressure of captaincy, and am sure he will do the same again when a new captain comes in.  Exactly who that person should be, I cannot say, but I would actually be tempted to look at county cricket and see what true leaders exist out there that have had a half decent season captaining their county.  Get this person nurtured, captain a few Lions games and maybe allow said person to debut as captain against India in the summer.  A big step, but one that may be worth taken given the lack of other obvious captains in the current squad.

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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2013, 01:01:23 PM »

Because 4 100's in his first 4 games as captain is no runs? And Andrew Strauss was very much just a passive observer as well, Cook has been like this ever since he took over its not like hes suddenly got defensive out of no where, one bad series does not a bad captain make.
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2013, 01:06:01 PM »

My team

Cook
Chopra
Bell
KP
Root
Stokes
Prior
Borthwick/Adil
Board
Finn/Rankin/Overton
Anderson

Chopra - would you pick him over Sam Robson?

Problem is, when they come back and play in English conditions, they will look like superstars again. I don't think Trott should be discounted yet either.

Captain... Cook is not a captain but will remain captain as there is noone else. He's a key player. Bell is boring. KP is mental... I'm sorry and I know ill get shouted at, but what about bringing Rory Hamilton-Brown in to open. Long term captain, potentially world class bat... Untested but he did the same when he went from Sussex 2s to Surrey.
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2013, 01:07:36 PM »

I never liked cook as captain personally. I didn't think he showed anything before while strauss was in charge to be the man to take over either.

yes his record wasn't that bad, but I think that is due to strauss's out of the blue retirmemnet, that the side was on a roll, and not a lot of great input was needed to win back then. now it is, he is struggling for ideas.


look at this test match, day 2 morning, Clarke has several slips, a gully and short leg to mitch, we are 6 down and get blown away.

day 3, morning, we need 1 wicket! yes 1 wicket. we have 1 slip, and men saving runs. that wicket puts on a decent stand.

a captain needs to go for the jugular, not just against the opposition, but also when his own team isn't puling there weight.
so many times, ive seen broad bowl short rubbish, after short rubbish, then whinge about his field, as if its cooks fault, and cook seems to just bend over instantly.
he should be saying "bowl to my field, or ill put someone on who will!"
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2013, 01:09:01 PM »

Call up Andy Flower to open and captain!

Should be on the Kolpak by now! :D
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2013, 01:10:16 PM »

County cricket is mile away from international cricket. England would never panick like they did back in the dark days of the 80's and appoint an untried county captain that is not worth his place in the side. Those days have gone and England are much better for it. One series and yes it's been a disaster but no need for a knee jerk reaction.

 
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2013, 01:18:17 PM »

County cricket is mile away from international cricket.

It might be, but, with the current system, how does a player ever get experience of captaincy?
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2013, 01:23:23 PM »

Got to agree with Keiron unlike Football which i must say i get to watch once every two weeks live well my team anyway not one of i doubt watches enough County stuff to really formulate a real decision.

Robson what he scored 2 Tons against 2 state 2nd elevens before that 100 runs in 10 fc innings but weho knows only seen him once.

It all speculation and facts on here including myself but the stats are not always correct they do not show temperament  and other small yet vital ingredients of a proper test match player.

These are picked up by proper judges and scouts who watch them analytic people and converters of said sciences.

As a pre prozone student and very analytical mind we only see the outage here not the whole picture.

We keep spouting names that including me about people we hear or in truth know very little about bar the odd day in a county match or limited overs cricket on telly



     
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Re: Cook - who would take over?
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2013, 01:40:37 PM »

The man I'd like to see in the England side is Jos Butler he has a real X factor IMO.

Definitely some interesting times ahead for England
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