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[Wooly]

is this repairable?

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2005548/australia-claims-series-whitewash/?cs=6#slide=4

[Number4]

Where are you from Wooly?

[Wooly]

Newcastle mate, what about yourself?

[Number4]

Haha Newcastle

[Manormanic]

mate I'm just taking the piss out of one the English fans on here who maintained Nathan Lyon is a club spinner

He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up! 

[awp]

He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!

What does that make anderson then? Lyon took more wickets than all poms bar broad.

[Alvaro]

Yeah but he bowled at more rabbits, so the stats are skewed....

[skip1973]

That's a ridiculous statement, 70 runs today scored by blokes having a swing wanting to get it over with under no pressure. Joe Root would be a good example of a club spinner, Lyon is miles ahead of that.

[Manormanic]

What does that make anderson then? Lyon took more wickets than all poms bar broad.

You don't really get the rules of evidence do you?  On the limited statistical sample of a disaster tour for England, there are comparisons.  You find me any evidence that Lyon is anything more than a clubbie beyond his (actually very limited) returns in this series...

[Wooly]

rules of evidence?? It's a game not a court room mate.  Not many club spinners take 100 test wickets.  So who in your view is a test match standard spinner?

[awp]

You don't really get the rules of evidence do you?  On the limited statistical sample of a disaster tour for England, there are comparisons.  You find me any evidence that Lyon is anything more than a clubbie beyond his (actually very limited) returns in this series...

Talking about this current series, what about that is difficult for you to understand.

[Twelfth Man]

Some people are a little bit touchy these days hey...

[FattusCattus]

awp is in particular riding down the tattered poms and skewering them on his posting lance!

And he has the power of righteous victory and moral indignation on his side - every perceived slight and every bantering comment directed at the Aussies is being ruthlessly persecuted!

We poms don't stand a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Manormanic]

rules of evidence?? It's a game not a court room mate.  Not many club spinners take 100 test wickets.  So who in your view is a test match standard spinner?

Evidence - as in, can you provide evidence to back up the banal statements made thus far?  Because I have seen precious little.

Lyon is a clubbie, and the sensitive reaction of Australian fans to having that fact pointed out to them shows that they know it too.  His record in Test cricket shows it - precious few top order wickets, poor performances when gifted spinning tracks that ought to have assisted him, consistently outbowled by opposing spinners...

[Johnny]

Don't think you can claim Lyon was out bowled by England spinners this series. I think clubbie is harsh. He's shown that he deserves a place over the likes of Agar and Doherty. I don't think anyone claims he's world class, but he does the job Australia need him to do