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[Number4]

Achieved plenty? 

If you reckon Root has achieved plenty, then so has Steve Smith... Pretty similar stats with Smith having an extra 100 and 50, having played only 2 more games...

Bresnan has achieved plenty yet has only one 5-wicket innings haul (best match haul of 8 ) versus "village" Lyon's four 5-wicket hauls (best match haul of 9).

So where is your backup?

Don't give manormanic any evidence because his eyes glaze over when evidence is produced and he just passes it by and continues with his unfounded beliefs

[Manormanic]

Achieved plenty? 

If you reckon Root has achieved plenty, then so has Steve Smith... Pretty similar stats with Smith having an extra 100 and 50, having played only 2 more games...

Bresnan has achieved plenty yet has only one 5-wicket innings haul (best match haul of 8 ) versus "village" Lyon's four 5-wicket hauls (best match haul of 9).

So where is your backup?

For the stage he is at in his career Root has done very well, both in Test cricket and in the shorter forms of the game.  As for Bresnan, we all know that his role is to bowl the hard overs - he rarely if ever sees the new ball or gets a pop at the tailenders - as such, his record stands comparison with most quicks in international cricket.  Influential in two Ashes series victories, a key part of the team that got to number one in the world, unbeaten in his first 13 tests - I think that stands as a decent career to date (even if I am skeptical about how much he will add to it)

[Manormanic]

Moderator hosk will be after you for baiting, be warned!  Above from ci, thought you may like it.

Right after you for trolling, no doubt! 

[smokem]

For the stage he is at in his career Root has done very well, both in Test cricket and in the shorter forms of the game.  As for Bresnan, we all know that his role is to bowl the hard overs - he rarely if ever sees the new ball or gets a pop at the tailenders - as such, his record stands comparison with most quicks in international cricket.  Influential in two Ashes series victories, a key part of the team that got to number one in the world, unbeaten in his first 13 tests - I think that stands as a decent career to date (even if I am skeptical about how much he will add to it)

Don't give manormanic any evidence because his eyes glaze over when evidence is produced and he just passes it by and continues with his unfounded beliefs

You're right on the money there Number4! 

[awp]

For the stage he is at in his career Root has done very well, both in Test cricket and in the shorter forms of the game.  As for Bresnan, we all know that his role is to bowl the hard overs - he rarely if ever sees the new ball or gets a pop at the tailenders - as such, his record stands comparison with most quicks in international cricket.  Influential in two Ashes series victories, a key part of the team that got to number one in the world, unbeaten in his first 13 tests - I think that stands as a decent career to date (even if I am skeptical about how much he will add to it)

now that is a proper response manormanic, see you can do it. we don't have to agree, but its well thought out and expressed. 

I like root, I don't see how he's done well (not against aust at least, yes I do know he made 100, I saw it and thought he batted magnificently on that occassion) but I think picking and dropping kids is complete mismanagement.  IF Bell had batted at 3 from Adelaide onwards (AS HE SHOULD HAVE) and root batted at 5, root may well still have been in the side.

I was disappointed with Bresnan this series.  However, understand coming straight back from injury into elite level is extremely difficult.  you rightly point out that Bresnan is an integral part of the successes of the team.  he's a hell of a cricketer.

[cricketbadger]

Does anyone know who I can contact at the ECB with regards to gaining a refund for my test match tickets to Adelaide and the MCG, and also for my flights over to Aus to support our cricket teams pathetic efforts.

[procricket]

Nick Maddinson looks a fine talent from limited watching of him could he be brought in.

[Number4]

Nick Maddinson looks a fine talent from limited watching of him could he be brought in.

Ditto

[cricketbadger]

OR

take a punt.........MAXWELL.......yes seriously.  I think hes a freak with the ability to transcend short form cricket....

someone who refers to himself as the 'Big Show' should never be taken seriously within the Test arena, and I have it on good authority that he is a bell end

[Buzz]

there is a new thread for the Aussie team for SA and multiple threads in dismay about the state of English Cricket. as a result I am going to close this off.

I wish it was just as easy to draw a line under the hideous performances in the ashes...