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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2014, 03:13:36 PM »

Missed that one mate.....injured atm I think? Hasnt played the last couple bbl.
Pat Cummings played grade cricket last weekend and hopefully in the scorchers team vs hurricanes on 16th....

Cheers, I searched but found no answer, did wonder why he'd just vanished. Hopefully a few years of shield cricket, and I think he'll be a good edition to an aus side, make a strong batting line up.




Are any aussies worried about clarkes form? Was shown some statistics the other day, showing that since his century, he's actually scored less runs than cook! And we all know how much grief cooks getting for his form.
Has the stress of captaincy got to him?
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2014, 03:48:26 PM »

Agar played in the last Scorchers game that I watched, didn't bowl though
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2014, 10:57:12 PM »

Dependant on who replaces Kallis, McLaren or de Kock(as w/k)

Australia could have Watson as their thump card.

Steyn, Philander and Morkel are the best combo in world cricket. But without Kallis as the pressure release. There will be additional pressure on Robbie Peterson/JP Duminy to keep it tight.

Whilst I'd like McLaren to play, he's not favoured by many to get a second Test cap. de Kock is dynamic and the new golden boy of South African cricket.

As for Australia. I don't see why George Bailey should be axed. Yes he didn't get lots of runs, but will Doolan really be any better? Doubtful. His FC record is worst than Bailey's.

As for the extra players in the squad, assuming the same xi will play the first Test in SA.

I'd have:
James Pattinson, rapid and highly talented.
Phil Hughes, his FC record and record vs SA is excellent.
Marcus North, form player and scored a hundred on debut in SA.
Tim Paine/Peter Nevill both are better than Matthew Wade IMO.
James Faulkner, good all round cricketer.
 
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2014, 11:13:17 PM »

No problem with Clarke's form at all. Not a prolific series by his standards, but when the series was alive, he scored two centuries. He missed out in the "dead rubber" matches but so did Warner, but the damage already had been done.

I don't know enough about what's knocking around in first-class cricket in Sth Africa, but IMO the Proteas will be a weaker side without Kallis because of the dual role he played as a great batsman and handy seam option. Australia will try and exploit this by targeting the weak link of their attack, which will be the spinner, who Smith will try and get to bowl tight overs as a means of resting the quicks and rotating them at one end once the new ball wears off. If we can bully Peterson or Tahir, that will wreck their plans.

Our batting is far from perfect, and we will learn without doubt who is up to it and who isn't against real quality. The top three is crucial, they need to set solid platforms so that Clarke isn't continually at the crease at 2 for not many against a newish ball and Steyn/Morkel/Philander with their tails up. Our bowling has the ability to take 20 wickets, so when you have that, you are a chance against anyone. I see signs that we can expose Sth Africa. Alviro Pieresen is a solid player but nothing special, Amla hasn't been as prolific in recent times, no Kallis means Duminy or Du Plessis has to move to #4. De Villiers is their man. A player who can take a game away from you in a hurry, scores his runs quickly, in pressure situations, and a wonderful player of spin.
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2014, 01:35:57 AM »

To be a very strong team, consistently winning, any 3 of the top 6 must score heavily each innings.

Clarke did taper, winning hides sins of course.   We need a lift from all the batsmen to seriously challenge SA.
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2014, 02:04:03 AM »

Bowling will be key I think for both sides big test for Australia top order I suspect  there fragility might get exposed against stronger opposition this time. Australia bowling though is quality and I think with the Kallis loss and lack of genuine spinner it going to be a great and close series. Will Warner bully them has Smith got the ability will Tahir finally come to the fore will Johnson blow a weakened batting line up away can Rodgers keep going can Du Plessis bat at 4,Great series ahead and so many questions to be answered. I only know one thing it will be closer than the hades series.
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2014, 07:22:26 AM »

Bowling will be key I think for both sides big test for Australia top order I suspect  there fragility might get exposed against stronger opposition this time. Australia bowling though is quality and I think with the Kallis loss and lack of genuine spinner it going to be a great and close series. Will Warner bully them has Smith got the ability will Tahir finally come to the fore will Johnson blow a weakened batting line up away can Rodgers keep going can Du Plessis bat at 4,Great series ahead and so many questions to be answered. I only know one thing it will be closer than the hades series.
Thats a perfect summary really.

Australia's success or otherwise may well rest with the top order, obviously theyre very aware of this,  ill be fascinared to see how they go.
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2014, 08:46:34 AM »

Bancroft wasn't he the captain of the Australia u19 side I remember him playing a bit on the style of Clarke ???

Sure it was him if it was he looked good with a massive lad
Opening the bowling Sindu!??  He looked good too


You are thinking of Will Bosisto who averaged 273 in the u19 World Cup in 2012.

Also from that team Ashton Agar, Cam Bancroft and Travis Head all look likely to play test cricket at some point. Possibly Kurtis Patterson too.

That fast bowler you are talking about is Gurinder Sandhu who is playing FC cricket for NSW and looking promising.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/499660.html

Patrick Cummins was also eligible to play for that team, but CA decided against using him.
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2014, 09:10:48 AM »

Sandhu is playing in the BBL as well
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2014, 12:43:39 PM »

This is in today's times newspaper..


Gideon Haigh 

Published at 12:01AM, January 8 2014
 


How good a cricket team are Michael Clarke’s Australians? For the green and gold gathering at the Opera House yesterday, the answer was . . . well, absolutely ace. Those resisting the urge to get carried away have tended to more circumspect judgments, such as good enough, good but not great, good but yet to be tested.

One answer on which all can agree is: better than was thought six months back. But not perhaps utterly transformed. It seems long ago, but Australia played some excellent cricket last summer, and would have been still more formidable had they enjoyed the services of a fit Ryan Harris and Shane Watson.

In order to assess Australian success, then, you need to fathom the nature of their unsuccess — how and why they lost six consecutive Tests in India and England, five of them by colossal margins, from February to July.

The vague and self-serving explanations heard so far will solidify over time into the stuff of vague and self-serving autobiographies. Perhaps one day we’ll have a fuller picture; but perhaps we also won’t, because further and better particulars don’t really serve anyone’s interest.

Australia’s most obvious advance is in the fusion of Harris and Peter Siddle with the misunderestimated Mitchell Johnson and the misoverscrutinised Nathan Lyon.

Less obvious, perhaps, but little less fundamental has been the uniform excellence of Australia’s outcricket. How poorly English batsmen have rotated strike this summer, seldom truly challenging the ring with aggressive calling or daring an arm in the deep with an extra run. But that is partly a function of the Australians, notably David Warner, being nearly as intimidating in the field as with the ball.

In manpower terms, Australia’s balance is also improved. A year ago in Sydney, Australia fielded five batsmen, five bowlers and a batsman-keeper in Matthew Wade; this time round they had six batsmen, four bowlers and a keeper-batsman in Brad Haddin in the form of his life, with Watson and also Steve Smith available to bowl.

And if Watson still calls to mind Norman Mailer’s description of jungle rumbling George Foreman — “as slow as a man walking up a hill of pillows” — he has been highly economical, giving away just 2.55 runs an over. In Australia’s next destination, South Africa, where he took five for 17 in Cape Town in November 2011, he could be more useful still.

Amazing to say, even after ten consecutive Tests on both sides of the world, the Watson enigma persists, as lengthy and seemingly unresolvable as Lost.

Sage judges now hold that he would be better off supplanting George Bailey at No 6, handing on his No 3 spot to Alex Doolan.

This, however, may not be the time. Doolan has all the hallmarks of a fine player except perhaps the first-class record, which is no better or worse than his state captain Bailey’s: six hundreds and an average of 38 in 53 games, versus 14 hundreds and an average of 38 in 103 games. Doolan would also be being asked to start a top-order Test career against a razor-keen attack without a first-class innings in two months, with the possibility of some second XI cricket in the Futures League at the end of the month.

With an average of 26, Bailey has hardly made every post of his first series a winner. But his best innings in Adelaide was cut short by a fine catch on a day England otherwise dropped everything, and had a rough review not gone against him in Melbourne and had Clarke delayed his declaration until lunch on the fourth day in Perth he might now be being deemed a qualified success.

Critics and commentators will always wish for change — a cycle of new faces and climate of experimentation suit us. Decisions for selectors are less clear-cut, and must factor in time, place and chemistry.

Further argument for the status quo is also a matter of balance — the balance of personality. Duncan Fletcher once referred to a team’s “critical mass”, a sustainable ratio of “steady men” to “free spirits”: Fletcher put the ideal at eight-to-three, with a marked tailing off of results from six-to-five.

The exact arithmetic is less important than the sentiment, whose inference is that in changing a cricket team’s personnel you also tamper with its humours. An unconscious sense of this undergirded critique of the rotation policy, and Australia’s Ashes accomplishments have provided further evidence.

It has been success, of course, that has allowed Australia to play an unchanged XI this summer; but from what players were saying publicly before the fifth Test, an unchanged XI has contributed to success.

As a shrewd judge of the game summed it up for me in Perth, this side contains “a lot of sensible cricketers”. Bailey is one: to exclude him now, too, would also amount to writing off the investment of a whole series, which seems wasteful.

This debate invites another question: how reflective is the Australian cricket team of the overall strength of Australian cricket? A golden summer does not make a golden era: in Haddin, Harris and Chris Rogers especially, the team is continuing to draw on its inheritance.

Nor do there seem a host of players outside the XI clamouring for attention. James Pattinson and Jackson Bird have barely resumed cricket; Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins are still to do so.

How great it would be if right now there was a batsman ripping up records in the Sheffield Shield; instead they are busy stonking balls out of various Big Bash League parks. Slow bowling talent hardly abounds and the next best wicketkeeper is unclear. Cracks are being mortared, but remain some way from closed.

Looking around, of course, there is a lot of cracking going around. South Africa will represent a salutary challenge. But the standard of international cricket is at the moment far from healthy. How good a cricket team Clarke leads, then, might depend on whether the question is absolute or relative.
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2014, 01:24:42 PM »

Not fussed on Doolan at all. Hughes works hard, gets picked then gets dropped, scores runs back in shield then gets overlooked for someone averaging 38?! Bit stiff.
Like for like back up for Haddin is Hartley.

1. Rogers
2. Warner
3. Watson
4. Clarke
5. Smith
6. Hughes
7. Haddin
8. Johnson
9. Siddle
10. Harris
11. Lyon

12. Faulkner
13. S. Marsh
14. Hartley / Nevill
15. Pattinson
16. Starc (fit?)
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2014, 03:40:08 PM »

Rogers is playing really well but is getting on and when his form goes, he may struggle to retain his place. Add to that Warner's current struggle overseas, a replacement needs to be looked at integrating with the squad for the future. I don't know enough about the Aussie fringe players to be able to provide a named back up.

Would be hard to drop Bailey from the squad when he was part of the team that won 5-0.

Smith's technique is not the prettiest, but seems to work. As long as that continues, he should be fine.

Watson is always on the verge of being thrown out of the team by fans, yet seems to keep ticking over with runs and tight bowling.

Clarke seems to perform better when in strife or when others don't.

Haddin is also getting on, so they need to look at his successor closely and get integrated in the team.

Bowlers have shown the can bowl and stick to plans, As long as they stay fit.

Whatever happened to Hilfenhaus, he is still in top 20 in World or something?
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2014, 10:14:01 AM »

So Shaun marsh dropped out of the tour due to Injury.


Yet has appeared for the scorchers in the bbl final, looking as fit as a fiddle?


Is this controversial?
Did he fell he'd just be 12th man and is better elsewhere?
Or merely recovered quicker being in aus, and why not play if fit?
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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2014, 10:23:41 AM »

Yeah, he looked perfectly fit to me running lots of 2s on a 'mild 30 degree day'...

Maybe he doesn't like carrying drinks?

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Re: Aussie team for SA
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2014, 01:19:43 PM »

Seems Watto is out of the first test with a calf injury. Changes things for the Aussies, wonder who they will select as the replacement. If its like for like would be Henriques to fill the allrounder spot, but maybe they elect to go the extra batsman, be curious to see who they pick.
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