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[Manormanic]

Easy this Really

Steyn all day every day twice on Sundays
Harris
Sidle
Mclaren far more reliable as a bowler but Watson as a batter but as were talking about bowling attack mclaren
Lyon not as bad as everyone makes out.

With those five I agree with you on three (Steyn, McLaren and Lyon) and would prefer Harris myself even if stats seem to suggest that Philander is the better bet because I suspect that may have something to do with any new ball bowler who can nibble it being quids in with Steyn at the other end.  But I'd go Morkel over Siddle - as much because I wouldn't want four right armers of around 5 foot 10 as anything.

[Alvaro]

I see why you would say that but I don't think it is quite as simple as that - all of the bowlers I mentioned did fine in their T20 experiences.  I  think it might have as much to do with the move toward Chief Executives Pitches.  Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn, bowling well, will be a threat on anything, but none but the best spinner will do much on a slow flat shirtfront.

True, but if they're international class or better then they should. In the modern game, however, even in India the spinners are now bowling flatter than three day old diet coke. Jadeja is being picked as no 1 spinner in test matches! A sad occurrence.

[swamidude]

On their tour of India (where the wickets spun as you'd expect) Lyon took very few wickets and got smashed around a bit, Ashwin took 29 wickets in 4 tests. Lyon did well in the ashes because (in my opinion) the England batsman played him extremely poorly on some pretty flat wickets (let's be honest). Not saying Ashwin is an incredible bowler (I think he has potential) but Lyon has been flattered in the ashes.


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[Manormanic]

True, but if they're international class or better then they should. In the modern game, however, even in India the spinners are now bowling flatter than three day old diet coke. Jadeja is being picked as no 1 spinner in test matches! A sad occurrence.

I don't know about that - there are spinners who give it some air, such as Harbhajan (though he is nowhere near as good as he used to be), Mishra and Chawla - but the chosen ones seem to be Ashwin, Jadeja and Ojha who all seem to meet the modern perception of a spinner being someone to block up an end and frustrate wickets.

[Manormanic]

On their tour of India (where the wickets spun as you'd expect) Lyon took very few wickets and got smashed around a bit, Ashwin took 29 wickets in 4 tests. Lyon did well in the ashes because (in my opinion) the England batsman played him extremely poorly on some pretty flat wickets (let's be honest). Not saying Ashwin is an incredible bowler (I think he has potential) but Lyon has been flattered in the ashes.

There's a reason why Lyon got smashed around...

In the Ashes, he did okay because England broke down mentally - the three times a batsman went after him (Bell in Adelaide, BAirstow in Melbourne and Stokes/Broad in Sydney) he got collared.

[ProCricketer1982]

Steyn
Harris

Mortal
Philanderer

Ajmal


All rounder will have to be Watto. Goes for bugger all runs and would make a nice 6/7


As for a lack of spinners.. I'd say it's a mixture of too much one day/t20 slap and tickle.. So defensive darts become better/safer and pitches being done more for batsmen and $$ than true sporting wickets

[13th Man]

True supporting wickets  - do they exist?

[ProCricketer1982]

True supporting wickets  - do they exist?

Sometimes you see them, games are usually over n 3/4 days and no one scores more than about 250/300 runs in an innings

[joeljonno]

I would have to put SA above Australia for they have been consistently good for a long time.

Australia have had one good series and showing what they are capable of without the Mickey Arthur chop-and-change Tinkerman style rotation policy he seemed to have.

Neither have a great spinner.

Think if this Aussie attavk can stay fit and together, they have a chance to be rated as good as the SA.

The SA are certainly weaker without Kallis, so going forward, will be an interesting series coming up.

[leeroy]

The Aussie attack has finally shown some discipline in the home series but SA have been a very disciplined unit for quite a long time now. This series will really test what they are made of as I doubt the Aussie batsmen will put huge scores up. If Lyon and Watto manage to do something they could end up on top though.

[ammo]

Aus and SA
both pace attacks are really strong but they lack a really good spinner - Aus just ahead because of depth

[Wickets-then-runs]

Lyon is improving as a spinner but that's not to say he will be the next Swan. At least he is giving the ball some flight and a chance to spin which most of our other spinners are not. He Simms to be developing the arm ball which seemed to be Swans greatest threat to the left hander.

[RaepTiem]

5 man bowling attack for me would be- Steyn, Harris, Philander, Ajmal and al Hasan/Stokes.
First lets dig into opening bowlers. Johnson would be a good choice on form, but ive seen him dwindle after a good series in the past, therefore steyn and harris get the gig
First Change is philander, nothing to say here, philander is the best bowler in the world
Spinner is Ajmal, obvious choice once again
Allrounder is al Hasan or Stokes depending on pitch condition.thats right, NO WATSON. Im an aussie fan and have met watto once before. he's a top bloke, but he really has not done a thing to warrant selection over the past 3 and a half years either than the odd hundred. his batting avg is the same as al Hasan and Stokes, but al Hasan and Stokes take 3-4 wickets a match leaving watto in the dust. the watto of 2009 would easily make this lineup, but the watto of every year after 2009 is just mediocre. id be more inclined to choose al Hasan over Stokes due to experience, but on a green top, two spinners are useless, therefore Stokes would come in then.

[13th Man]

5 man bowling attack for me would be- Steyn, Harris, Philander, Ajmal and al Hasan/Stokes.
First lets dig into opening bowlers. Johnson would be a good choice on form, but ive seen him dwindle after a good series in the past, therefore steyn and harris get the gig
First Change is philander, nothing to say here, philander is the best bowler in the world
Spinner is Ajmal, obvious choice once again
Allrounder is al Hasan or Stokes depending on pitch condition.thats right, NO WATSON. Im an aussie fan and have met watto once before. he's a top bloke, but he really has not done a thing to warrant selection over the past 3 and a half years either than the odd hundred. his batting avg is the same as al Hasan and Stokes, but al Hasan and Stokes take 3-4 wickets a match leaving watto in the dust. the watto of 2009 would easily make this lineup, but the watto of every year after 2009 is just mediocre. id be more inclined to choose al Hasan over Stokes due to experience, but on a green top, two spinners are useless, therefore Stokes would come in then.

You make a good point on Watto, but does Australia have any options waiting in the wings?  I was impressed with Stokes this summer.

[Gerry SA]

I'd have Corey J Anderson, NZ, as the all rounder.

Game changer with the bat. And brisk left arm swing bowler.