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[GarrettJ]

That's the learning bit you stuff a lot up when you start by getting a bit giddy and rushing but eventually I have hopefully learnt and got it consistent. I feel the wood watch it as it presses and feel a ball and mallet on it gradually. It feel and sound really. You start to read it really.

i suppose thats where bat making becomes an art, you just know when the wood feels right and what separates the excellent bat makers from the good. I think im going to get a bat from you just to see what they are like as I have always liked what i have seen from you on this forum.

[FattusCattus]

I think my pint is valid as anybody's.

Calm down everyone - we've all had a drink! 

[GarrettJ]

Nothing has been aimed at anybody a comment was made how big company's do not put as much effort in and I stated it simply is not true.

I wouldn't ever dream of insulting your bats as I have stated.

So where all supposed to just listen and agree with everything where told when sometimes there simple not true forum sponsor or not as a forum member and one with some knowledge through experience I think my pint is valid as anybody's. Sorry if I offended people with my comments but I stand by what I said

I do not. Want to derale what is by and large a great post and videos as I have praised Paul and his bat making on loads of topics and will continue to do so because they look bloody good

If people took my words in the wrong way sorry.

i know where you are coming from Procricket, i have upset a few people on here by giving what some see as being inflammatory views/posts when it is merely a post which goes against what others think based on your own knowledge that something isnt quite correct.

Its always good to have both views/facts on a subject whether it is for or against a company/forum sponsor.

back on topic ................

[Number4]

Nothing has been aimed at anybody a comment was made how big company's do not put as much effort in and I stated it simply is not true.

I wouldn't ever dream of insulting your bats as I have stated.

So where all supposed to just listen and agree with everything where told when sometimes there simple not true forum sponsor or not as a forum member and one with some knowledge through experience I think my pint is valid as anybody's. Sorry if I offended people with my comments but I stand by what I said

I do not. Want to derale what is by and large a great post and videos as I have praised Paul and his bat making on loads of topics and will continue to do so because they look bloody good

If people took my words in the wrong way sorry.

Can I ask which big companies you are referring to Dave?

P.S This is far and away the best thread the forum has seen in over 12 months!!!

[Chad]

P.S This is far and away the best thread the forum has seen in over 12 months!!!

I agree with that, it's been a really good read, especially since I've been stuck inside most of today because of the 40 odd degree heat in Melbourne!

I think I had the impression that GM had a standard pressing for all their bats, (I think I got that impression from a video where Swann was touring GM) which would explain the consistent feel of their bats. I'm not too sure now, which I guess is what's great about threads like these, people can put forward their opinions, and people agree and disagree. I think the key is not to take it too personally, and to accept that we can be wrong at times.

Really enjoyed the videos, Paul, a simple answer to a question why bats feel different, even when pressed by the same maker, and why bats which don't look as good can play as well as top end bats. I remember the Supreme I got off you, had a lovely feel and I got the impression it was pressed to get the best out of it. Great to see honesty being the forefront of how you do things, even if it may mean less sales in such a competitive market. I'm wanting to purchase a butterfly bat now!

Fair point, Dave, we shouldn't make assumptions based on the fact that they are a bigger company - most folk wouldn't slate a sponsor here based on assumptions. To be fair though, I thought that GM were all pressed exactly the same, so maybe Paul and I have watched the same video and come to the same conclusions. I accept I could have gotten to the wrong conclusions based on those videos though, as they weren't too in depth.

If you're looking for a good bat, you should look past the brand, whether they are a mass producing brand like GM or Kook, or a small batmaker like Aldred. If you find a maker you like and have confidence in them, then go for them. Make up your own mind and don't let other people make decisions for you.

[procricket]

Agreed this thread gives people a great insight into bat making and the age old looks better plays better thioughts.  Also gives great insights to people who might not have access  or ever seen clefts and so on. Number 4 read the thread I will not be drawn on anymore mate

[Number4]

Agreed this thread gives people a great insight into bat making and the age old looks better plays better thioughts.  Also gives great insights to people who might not have access  or ever seen clefts and so on. Number 4 read the thread I will not be drawn on anymore mate

I wasn't trying to draw you into anything to be honest I was just giving you the opportunity to share your knowledge on how the big companies press their bats.

[Number4]

Anyway back on topic....

Paul how long does it take you to press a cleft?

[Aldred Cricket Bats]

It's always interesting talking cricket. I learnt through all the years playing cricket that it's really important to listen to advise and how other people do things and what works for them and what they have learnt through experience and then filter the stuff out that works for you as an individual and not totally discard the rest but keep it in the locker as it may come in useful sometime in the future. I have taken and do take exactly the same approach with my bat making process.

[tushar sehgal]

Paul (Aldred) going by your last video and having just recieved 2 bats from Paul (IJC), lol, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the response of bats. Got M&H which has a very dull thud to it, my prefered response/sound, and a Bubble legend which sounds very crisp, something that makes me feel a bit meh, as I think that crisp sounding bats usually don't go as well but is it just that they need more time to open up? Only 2 bats that I have ever seen that felt very hard but were guns from the go were L&W legacy and Vindico Marauder (Small US company that does not exist anymore i think). Both these bats sounded horrible when you hit the ball and you'd think ball hasn't even made it back to the bowler but when you up its flying off the field.


Both my new arrivals respond equally well but somehow I enjoy the M&H better in my hand than Bubble!!!

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Im sure those of us that visited the GM factory a few years back from my recollection they had 2 different style presses.

We have the luxury of having GM reps on the forum so im sure if they see the question posed they are the best people to answer. Great topic having been lucky enough to see a few presses in action over the years at the different UK batmakers its something that is definitely done by touch/feel by experience and IMO is the most important part in getting the most of out of a cleft/bat during the manufacturing process.

Pressing is a bit like goldilocks and the 3 bears, too much and you'll ruin it by prssing it too hard, too little and it wont perform as it'll be too soft but just right and jobs a good un!

[GarrettJ]

GM must have an F2 F4 and F7 pressing machine??

[mattw]

GM must have an F2 F4 and F7 pressing machine??

They will have replaceable rollers I assume.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

GM must have an F2 F4 and F7 pressing machine??

We went a couple of years back now prior to introducing these face shapes so as Matt says i suspect they have rollers that provide the different cambers. I think the Luna was their newest shape when we went so may of been 2011

[procricket]

I wasn't trying to draw you into anything to be honest I was just giving you the opportunity to share your knowledge on how the big companies press their bats.

Well 3 of the 5 biggest presser of willow in the uk for sure press individual or group clefts based o ln many factors including density an so on.  I know 2 Indian makers one small one big once again try individual press.

I know he is not a brand but arguably the best bat presser in the world who works for more brands than anybody knows individually presses clefts.

It a great topic I guess the biggest  problem is the intellectual rights  about the different methods of pressing often I wish I had a press

Pressing is the black magic of bat I guess and the most guarded secret  and fair play with the handle I guess there the biggest variables in a bat