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[Number4]

It wasn't 'permanently' dislodged though until it bounced back off the stumps the second time which is what the laws state they must be.

I'd call laying on the ground permanently dislodged

[Sam]

I'd call laying on the ground permanently dislodged

Ill say my take on events :

1) Ball hits the top of the bails, they hold still for a second then bounce up in the air. Bopara's foot is lifted at this moment.

2) The bails drop back down into position meaning they were only temporarily dislodged (disturbed).

3) Bopara's foot lowers back onto the ground.

4) The bails bounce back out of the stumps after the impact and then fall to the ground. Here they are permanently dislodged.

(b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

[Number4]

Ill say my take on events :

1) Ball hits the top of the bails, they hold still for a second then bounce up in the air. Bopara's foot is lifted at this moment.

2) The bails drop back down into position meaning they were only temporarily dislodged (disturbed).

3) Bopara's foot lowers back onto the ground.

4) The bails bounce back out of the stumps after the impact and then fall to the ground. Here they are permanently dislodged.

I think we will be agreeing to disagree on this one.

[Sam]

I think we will be agreeing to disagree on this one.

I've only stated the laws of the game against the events mate  .

[ManHOOS]

[Number4]

I've only stated the laws of the game against the events mate  .

At what point are the bails classed as dislodged? If it was a run out and not a "stumping" would it have been given out by the laws of the game? I say yes

[smilley792]

Number 4. Do you watch the big bash?

Recent game, dilshan throws at stumps, bail jumps and lights. But then lands back on stumps and player given not out.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/706191.html


On your interpretation of the rules he should have been out? Why wasn't he?

[Gingerbusiness]

Ive had this in a game Ian Gould umpired in.

I bowled a ball that knicked the outside of off and the bail jumped on one side and dropped back into the grooves and was called not out.

Like football, the whole ball/bail has to cross the line/be dislodged.

Simple.

Much more simple than trying to have a conversation about the laws of cricket with an Aussie... 

[Number4]

Number 4. Do you watch the big bash?

Recent game, dilshan throws at stumps, bail jumps and lights. But then lands back on stumps and player given not out.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/706191.html


On your interpretation of the rules he should have been out? Why wasn't he?

Did the bail fall to the ground or stay on the stumps?

[Number4]

Ive had this in a game Ian Gould umpired in.

I bowled a ball that knicked the outside of off and the bail jumped on one side and dropped back into the grooves and was called not out.

Like football, the whole ball/bail has to cross the line/be dislodged.

Simple.

Much more simple than trying to have a conversation about the laws of cricket with an Aussie... 

Again did the bail fall or remain on the stumps?.. Fool

[Sam]

Did the bail fall to the ground or stay on the stumps?

They stayed on the stumps which is exactly what happened in this game. By the time they were permanently off the stumps the second time around Bopara's foot was back down.

[smilley792]

I'll re refer you to a rule Sam has already quoted.


b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal

[Number4]

From the side on view the bail lifts moves forward past the groove, rubs the front of the stump and falls... Where does it fall back into the groove?... Check the vid on the CA site...

[Number4]

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest

Watch it and weep boys

[Sam]

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest

Watch it and weep boys

Anywhere got it at better quality? Can hardly make out the bails on that compared to watching it on TV. I personally thought the camera angle from the back showed it most clearly I think it was. Could also add in the argument that there was no appeal as far as I saw but sky didn't bother showing the whole ball in a replay just the wickets so I'm not 100% sure but I didn't hear anything.

Edit : Even from that camera angle after straining my eyes a bit I'd still claim he's got his foot down in a frame at 22 seconds before the bails roll off. I think the bounce is hardly noticeable at that distance but was more clear in different angles as it was definitely there.