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[mr_wickets]

Looks like the guy can't help himself http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26118114

[horseman]

Was just about to post this. A case of only so many chances a guy can have. Overshadows a great win for nz. He'll still be in t20 surely as they have a capable outfit in that format.

[RoCo Da Pixie]

Sometimes you have to ask how many chances are too many? It seems he doesn't take it seriously at all. How many other people would love to have his talent and be in their national set up?

[The_Bird]

The guys got some demons in his head that's for sure. Not much is ever made of Bracewell's part on what now seem like regular pre game piss ups. Ryder seems destined to be the Gazza or Paul Merson of cricket. Could've been a world beater but preferred a drink.

[morgzy10]

Could he be the "problem child" of NZ cricket similar to pietersen and soon see himself ostracised from the setup?

[Nickauger]

The bloke obviously has a problem! Its all very well saying 'see you later mate', I wonder how many people have said, 'look mate, you've got a problem, we want to help'

[fasteddie]

The bloke obviously has a problem! Its all very well saying 'see you later mate', I wonder how many people have said, 'look mate, you've got a problem, we want to help'

The flip side to that is that he is simply a contractor to NZ cricket. They have no responsibility toward him. Just because he's a sportsperson doesn't increase the burden to the contracting organisation.
Unless of course it was NZ cricket which caused his illness.

If he is the problem, it's his responsibility to work it out. The same as it is fall all of us. If it's the employer, then it's up to them.

[Nickauger]

The flip side to that is that he is simply a contractor to NZ cricket. They have no responsibility toward him. Just because he's a sportsperson doesn't increase the burden to the contracting organisation.
Unless of course it was NZ cricket which caused his illness.

If he is the problem, it's his responsibility to work it out. The same as it is fall all of us. If it's the employer, then it's up to them.

Sorry mate, but in International sport, that is absolutely not the case. As it wouldn't be in any organisation. You can't bin some-one off for having a problem. Alcoholism is an illness, not a lifestyle choice! I do agree however, if its just persistent bad behaviour, but it does sound like he's got a problem.

[Cedrictoad]

Hopefully, NZ Cricket gets behind him and helps him out.  It would be shame to see one of the most talented cricketers NZ has produced not playing at the international level (generally, I would make a snide remark about them needing all the players they can get.... but they are actually quite good at the moment.

Did anybody note the "Bring Back Jesse" signs at the NZ v India test match in Auckland?  Is he a cult hero in NZ?

Open question to our Sheep Bothering friends on the forum:  Is this the best NZ Side since the mid 80's? (Hadlee in him pomp, M Crowe, Smith, Wright, Chatfield etc)

[fasteddie]

Sorry mate, but in International sport, that is absolutely not the case. As it wouldn't be in any organisation. You can't bin some-one off for having a problem. Alcoholism is an illness, not a lifestyle choice! I do agree however, if its just persistent bad behaviour, but it does sound like he's got a problem.

I can't agree that people in sport are different from another worker. Everyone who works deserves the same treatment, I don't buy it that sport's people are different to you or I. If I worked for a firm on a contract basis and was struck by a mental illness my contract would not get renewed or even terminated (possible with severance).

I'm sure that his illness will get treatment and I hope he checks into the right regime to get back.

I didn't say it was lifestyle but used the word illness. I think you misunderstood that. Neither did I say his was persistent bad behavior.

[horseman]

The guys got some demons in his head that's for sure. Not much is ever made of Bracewell's part on what now seem like regular pre game piss ups. Ryder seems destined to be the Gazza or Paul Merson of cricket. Could've been a world beater but preferred a drink.

bracewell is in the same boat. Didnt he split his foot on a binge before the last england series. ?

[The_Bird]

bracewell is in the same boat. Didnt he split his foot on a binge before the last england series. ?

He did, both seem to get quite a bit of slack from NZ cricket though. On the NZ cricket supporting him what more can they do? It has to be Ryder's responsibility. He had specialist outside support before the last IPL I believe, that's more than what some people need so it must be must be deep set. Could be Bipolar.

[joeljonno]

If I worked for a firm on a contract basis and was struck by a mental illness my contract would not get renewed or even terminated (possible with severance).

They would be on very sticky ground to cancel it *just* because of mental illness, without it affecting your work.

He has had this for more than 12 months I'd suggest, so it is possibly covered by the DDA.

Any righteous employer would always look to help wherever possible, whether it is staff or contractors, within reason.

[potzy248]

Hopefully, NZ Cricket gets behind him and helps him out.  It would be shame to see one of the most talented cricketers NZ has produced not playing at the international level (generally, I would make a snide remark about them needing all the players they can get.... but they are actually quite good at the moment.

Did anybody note the "Bring Back Jesse" signs at the NZ v India test match in Auckland?  Is he a cult hero in NZ?

Open question to our Sheep Bothering friends on the forum:  Is this the best NZ Side since the mid 80's? (Hadlee in him pomp, M Crowe, Smith, Wright, Chatfield etc)

Haha "Sheep bothering" classic. Poor old Jesse, beaten to an inch of his life while on the drink and now this. We cannot forget it was the night before the 1st test, of which he was the next batsman inline had Taylor's wife gone into labour. Time to give him the flick I'm afraid. Way too many chances already.

Definitely our best side since Hadlee. Best bowling attack we have had I would say. 3 genuine good seamers, Corey Anderson is descent and I think Sodhi once he has settled down will be very good. Throw in our damn good batting line up and its a very solid team. ODI's will be where we excel but tests are getting better every game we play.

[cesare_in]

I would still prefer one final final chance for Jesse. Such a talented cricketer that he is..