Topic: how to net? (Read 4289 times)

brokenbat · « **on:** February 24, 2014, 08:29:16 PM »

Perhaps the dumbest of dumb questions, but what is the best way to construct net sessions to allow for maximum development of one's game. Lets assume I know what I 'should' do, for all the shots in the book. Should my training then simply be a combination of:
1. 'Match intensity' practice vs one or two bowlers at a time.
and
2. Bowling machine practice, where one simply goes through each shot a few times?

Its the second one I wasn't sure of. Do I just go through each shot, at a reasonable speed? Or is there an order I should practice the shots (for example, end the session on drives, so I don't start playing across the line)?

I was thinking of playing 'real' bowling twice a week, and machine drills once or twice a week as well.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2014, 08:35:13 PM »

Mixture of the lot

nice and helpful I know

Split the time to the stsrt of the season into phases and this current phase is the best time to be learning new shots and grooving. As the season approaches you add in the more 'intense' stuff, like match situation and all that jazz.. As for speed, train on 55-60 mph so that you have time to concentrate on ensuring you are doing the right things etc.

Not that I'm an expert and I'm sure people know more than I but it seems to work for me.

Steveo1000 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:00:56 PM »

My advice, don't over complicate it. Especially pre season indoor nets.
Just allow players to bat and bowl. Unless there are very good coaches available then there is little chance that players will dramatically improve.
The reality for 90% of clubs and players is that nets is a social event where players find the game they had last year, then go for a beer.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:04:16 PM »

Quote from: Steveo1000 on February 24, 2014, 09:00:56 PM

My advice, don't over complicate it. Especially pre season indoor nets.
Just allow players to bat and bowl. Unless there are very good coaches available then there is little chance that players will dramatically improve.
The reality for 90% of clubs and players is that nets is a social event where players find the game they had last year, then go for a beer.

Given most clubs (inc big ones) don't have good coaches then how do you expect people to improve just by having a hit and giggle social ?

ppccopener · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:19:33 PM »

Big call this 90 per cent of clubs use nets as a social
Im looking to improve a little bit every winter net session and during practice thru the season
Im 47 and have been playing since 14.
I dont let anyone get me out at nets and dont slog
I think it was stuart law who said once you are past 30 you need to train and practice twice as hard as everyone else just to keep up

FvanN · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:20:39 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 24, 2014, 09:04:16 PM

Given most clubs (inc big ones) don't have good coaches then how do you expect people to improve just by having a hit and giggle social ?

I think it comes down to application.

For myself I'm trying to learn how to bowl an out swinging delivery to a right hander and while batting I have been working on stance, getting more in line and not swinging at everything. Just the 4 things really.

I have found that there are different guys at our club who can offer advice in each area. I just seem to struggle putting it into action

Steveo1000 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:30:15 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 24, 2014, 09:04:16 PM

Given most clubs (inc big ones) don't have good coaches then how do you expect people to improve just by having a hit and giggle social ?

Without good coaches how do they improve?

potzy248 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:31:30 PM »

When I bat in the nets I use game situations and look to play balls into gaps, score where fielders aren't etc. I also like to keep score e.g. I hit a shot to cover and say 1 for that or cream a pull shot and say 4 etc. I actually get really angry when i get out after keeping score.

When I'm coaching its all about game situations. Giving the players a scenario like first 10 overs 2 slips and a gully no cover etc. Or middle overs spinners are on field spread etc etc. I also like to take away areas they can score such as mid off and mid on. they have to manipulate the ball into midwicket and cover for a single. Another good tip for kids is saying they can only score in a very small area in the nets, even if the ball is pitched in a seemingly impossible angle they still have to try and work it to the area. if they can't do it in 3 balls they get a punishment. Making Nets interesting is one of the hardest things to do, especially with young players who just want to hit everything out of the back of the net.

Steveo1000 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:37:13 PM »

Quote from: potzy248 on February 24, 2014, 09:31:30 PM

When I bat in the nets I use game situations and look to play balls into gaps, score where fielders aren't etc. I also like to keep score e.g. I hit a shot to cover and say 1 for that or cream a pull shot and say 4 etc. I actually get really angry when i get out after keeping score.

When I'm coaching its all about game situations. Giving the players a scenario like first 10 overs 2 slips and a gully no cover etc. Or middle overs spinners are on field spread etc etc. I also like to take away areas they can score such as mid off and mid on. they have to manipulate the ball into midwicket and cover for a single. Another good tip for kids is saying they can only score in a very small area in the nets, even if the ball is pitched in a seemingly impossible angle they still have to try and work it to the area. if they can't do it in 3 balls they get a punishment. Making Nets interesting is one of the hardest things to do, especially with young players who just want to hit everything out of the back of the net.

Instead of getting them to try and work a ball into a small area despite where it pitches, why not coach them to just whack it really hard based on where it has pitched? That is the modern game.
Over coaching of kids drives me insane. Let them play, let them whack it and refine it a bit later. What punishment to you administer?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:08:54 PM »

Quote from: Steveo1000 on February 24, 2014, 09:30:15 PM

Without good coaches how do they improve?

You don't need coaches to improve though. You can improve without paying someone/listening to the one coach teaches all.

ppccopener · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:19:16 PM »

Exactly..you can improve yourself just by sticking to the basics,depends what standard you are but there is usually a player you could speak to in most clubs who could offer a tip or two
I presume the comment in this thread about ' a punishment' for kids not doing something right is a mis- print
Kids coaching should be focused on enjoyment and fun
I'm referring mainly to club cricket obviously

Steveo1000 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:34:36 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 24, 2014, 10:08:54 PM

You don't need coaches to improve though. You can improve without paying someone/listening to the one coach teaches all.

I agree. If you don't have qualified and dedicated coaches then you rely on advice and tips from senior players.
I guess what was trying to explain (perhaps not very well) in my original post is this. If you do not have a structured coaching system in place then you don't have coaches who can put a structure in place. In that event, don't try and over complicate it and take responsibility for your own improvement. Talk to senior players and have some personal goals.
In my experience, if an overly structured approach is applied by unqualified coaches to a 60/90 min pre season indoor net it doesn't achieve great deal.

potzy248 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2014, 02:00:00 AM »

Quote from: Steveo1000 on February 24, 2014, 09:37:13 PM

Instead of getting them to try and work a ball into a small area despite where it pitches, why not coach them to just whack it really hard based on where it has pitched? That is the modern game.
Over coaching of kids drives me insane. Let them play, let them whack it and refine it a bit later. What punishment to you administer?

Totally agree with you. Its actually a bit of fun when we do this. I mainly use the behind the leg side as an area. The boys use their feet and wrists to get the ball there, or try little deft paddles etc, not meaning to make it sound regimental or difficult.

Punishments are usually just getting the player to stand at the back of the net while the rest of the team throw inferior made cricket balls at them�. Just joking
Usually sitting out while another batsman takes there place or running a quick 5 runs between the wickets. Nothing major.

cesare_in · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2014, 08:13:53 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 24, 2014, 09:19:33 PM

Big call this 90 per cent of clubs use nets as a social
Im looking to improve a little bit every winter net session and during practice thru the season
Im 47 and have been playing since 14.
I dont let anyone get me out at nets and dont slog
I think it was stuart law who said once you are past 30 you need to train and practice twice as hard as everyone else just to keep up

Good suggestion that!

joeljonno · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2014, 01:04:08 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 24, 2014, 09:04:16 PM

Given most clubs (inc big ones) don't have good coaches then how do you expect people to improve just by having a hit and giggle social ?

The problem is that you cannot train batsmen and bowlers at the same time in a big group. Most club-provided cricket nets are to give the chance to get the players back into a bit of rhythm and touch.

If a player is wanting to improve, the bowlers should look to bowl good areas and batsmen to focus on playing correct shots to those deliveries. It will not benefit a bowler to bowl short balls to improve the batsman if he is not that type of bowler.

To improve, surely it is the responsibility of the individual player to organise their own structured practices, either batting with a bowling machine or bowling into an empty net (target bowling).

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