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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2014, 09:44:14 PM »

A team mate asked ne if i'd help get a new bat sorted last month
He plumped for a custom copied gm halo grade 1 at 225.00 from warsop
Whilst we were picking it up we asked tony about different batmakers and he said its all to do with how a bat is pressed,providing you are working with quality raw materials
So in my opinion it does matter who makes the bat
Having said that i love salix bats but cannot afford and would no longer spent 300 quid on one
I have a 60 quid bat off this forum.
My other team mate has an amplus because hes rich and thinks they are the best you can get
It doesnt help him play any better but he's happy with it.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2014, 09:44:35 PM »

Slight change on the topic, do you think bat size matters?

I have had some seriously stonking bats that were thin wafers by today's standards.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:04 PM »

Slight change on the topic, do you think bat size matters?

I have had some seriously stonking bats that were thin wafers by today's standards.

Guess it depends on hand / eye co-ordination the bigger the bat sometimes = more confidence (could all be psychological of course).
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:22 PM »

In the last year, I have had over 30 bats. All different brands, prices, pick ups and shapes have passed through my hands. Laminates, TAS, Carbon Fibre handles etc.

The most fun I have had is with one of Asad's £99 MB Malik LE Laminate Bats in the nets today. I know they are not legal, and I know I cannot play a game with them but in the nets, but when you dispatch your overseas opening bowler who bowls 80mph-ish for a Dean Jones style drive back over his head - with the ball strike feeling effortless, it puts a huge smile on your face (before he obviously tries to nail me with the short stuff next ball...).

The 2nd most fun I have had with a bat is a MB Zulfi which I brought for £40 off eBay - Yes, the handle went after a year but 7 years on, and now on its third owner, second handle, and FIFTH refurbishment, the bat still goes as well as anything I have ever owned. It certainly was not 7 times worse than my Newbery Mjolnir's or M&H Amplus'.

With the £300 bats in question, like with most things in life, you are paying for clever marketing and brand association.

Are bats a status symbol? Of course they are - otherwise there wouldn't be a demand in fake stickers. Same reason we assume someone who drives a Bugatti or Lamborghini must earn alot of money and be a pretty big deal. Performance wise, are they better cars than my BMW? Not necessary. It depends what you are looking for (Yes they can do 200mph, but my BMW can do 50mpg).

If you have a £400 M&H Amplus MKI, it says something about you to other people. Same as if you brought a Bugatti Veyron. Conversely, its like when we were at school and you brought the wrong coat, it can get you negative attention. Of course, jealousy is also a factor in this discussion. It is only human nature.

Would I spend £300 on a match bat for myself? No. As I know that money does not guarantee the performance I want. Do I know people who would? Also no. However, having these super expensive bats in a range means more of the middle level of bats sell because of the perceived quality v performance factor, which I know PLENTY of people who would buy them for £150-£200.

Its an interesting topic. One which could provide an interesting topic for a MA or BSc student to look into. :)

Sorry for rambling! :-[
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:38 PM »

Low density clefts are all well and good, but they've still got to be pressed right.

Indeed they have i think handles are as important to pressing as well.

Optimum Wood Theory my good lads
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:59 PM »

No. I don't like massive bats, I find they make me slog/lose shape.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2014, 09:48:03 PM »

I agree
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2014, 09:49:08 PM »

Slight change on the topic, do you think bat size matters?

I have had some seriously stonking bats that were thin wafers by today's standards.

Does size matter!

Now you've opened a can of worms........ :D

I don't know the math behind this, James May is the man for this. I'm really interested in the math behind this as I think it would show a set of very interesting results.

Personally, I'd go for bat speed, but what do I know.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2014, 09:51:08 PM »

Slight change on the topic, do you think bat size matters?

I have had some seriously stonking bats that were thin wafers by today's standards.
No, decent pressed willow will perform if you have 20mm edges or 45mm edges. If size mattered the GN scoop wouldn't have ever been made.
I think Tim did an experiment with a high density cleft and concluded size doesn't matter.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2014, 09:52:26 PM »

No, decent pressed willow will perform if you have 20mm edges or 45mm edges. If size mattered the GN scoop wouldn't have ever been made.
I think Tim did an experiment with a high density cleft and concluded size doesn't matter.
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This lad is clever bingo in one mate me and Tai have been talking about the scoop it is in the optimum wood theory..

Very good answer mate

Big bats are in the mind it has worked for me this season.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2014, 09:56:27 PM »


If you have a £400 M&H Amplus MKI, it says something about you to other people. Same as if you brought a Bugatti Veyron. Conversely, its like when we were at school and you brought the wrong coat, it can get you negative attention. Of course, jealousy is also a factor in this discussion. It is only human nature.


I take slight offence to that.
I bought one because it suited my game, won pretty much every award going last year and on the recommendation of other players who have used top range M&H bats for many years and swear by their performance.
I at no point chose it in order to show off.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2014, 09:56:56 PM »

Let's put it another way.

Anyone ever have a weight reduction on a bat, ifso how much did the performance reduce by?
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2014, 09:58:34 PM »

I take slight offence to that.
I bought one because it suited my game, won pretty much every award going last year and on the recommendation of other players who have used top range M&H bats for many years and swear by their performance.
I at no point chose it in order to show off.

Do not worry I wore size 10 shoes at school even though i was a 5.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2014, 09:59:09 PM »

I take slight offence to that.
I bought one because it suited my game, won pretty much every award going last year and on the recommendation of other players who have used top range M&H bats for many years and swear by their performance.
I at no point chose it in order to show off.

I guess he's speaking generally, rather then everyone etc.

I'd say it's like cars, watches etc.. Some will do it for various reasons but many will do it because of how it looks to others.. Humans like showing off and being 'better' than others.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2014, 09:59:52 PM »

Let's put it another way.

Anyone ever have a weight reduction on a bat, ifso how much did the performance reduce by?
I had 3oz taken off a bat and the performance of the bat improved because I was able to play a wider range of shots with it.
Is this the bat's performance or my own though?
As I've said before, performance has too many variables to accurately measure it...
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