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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2014, 10:01:01 PM »
And not one Manufacture presses the same as another its true the pick up and pressing is what any bat is about hence the reason I stress the importance in selecting your bat in store or on site if you cant and you have to buy online then communication and trust with the online site is important if  you send out poor quality you wont last long in this game
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2014, 10:01:42 PM »
Quote from: Blank Bats on March 02, 2014, 09:56:56 PM
Let's put it another way.

Anyone ever have a weight reduction on a bat, ifso how much did the performance reduce by?

I had some weight taken out of my pro reject's Newbery. It's still sending the ball miles.
However, our (then) club Pro, Paul Weekes (clang), told me that the weight should NOT be taken from the hitting area.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2014, 10:03:42 PM »
Quote from: Steveo1000 on March 02, 2014, 09:43:30 PM
So are the Master, Amplus and Distinction made from these rare clefts? Is that why they are so expensive?
I hope so as that is what I have bought into!
I might add that I asked a batmaker to make an Amplus replica weighing 2.9 for a little under £200 at the start of last season. Basically he said it couldn't be done.
having looked at Aswanis m@h stock yesterday, there is no way in the world these m&h amplus, ck22, masters bats were made from oversized clefts. Are they made from low density clefts, I would probably say no to that as well.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2014, 10:04:15 PM »
Quote from: Steveo1000 on March 02, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
I take slight offence to that.
I bought one because it suited my game, won pretty much every award going last year and on the recommendation of other players who have used top range M&H bats for many years and swear by their performance.
I at no point chose it in order to show off.

Steve,

Please do not take me the wrong way. I did not mean to cause offence in anyway.

I was merely making the point that you could have had Warsop, Hunts etc make you an exact copy for 50% of that price - which if you are FastEddie, would have gone on some expensive sparking grape juice!! :-[

If you went for it because it won many awards because of its performance - fair play. I am saying not everyone will buy a £300+ M&H, Newbery etc... etc... etc... for that reason.

Can I ask though, why you brought the Grade 1 and not the Grade 2? Was that because you perceived it to be better?
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2014, 10:06:07 PM »
For me pickup and feel with the gloves on plus the handle as to feel right, then tap up with an old ball across the full width  and down  most of the bat face. Is the bats price relative to performance ? No the performance of the bat is determined by the skill of the person who has pressed the cleft.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2014, 10:06:45 PM »
Quote from: fasteddie on March 02, 2014, 10:01:42 PM
I had some weight taken out of my pro reject's Newbery. It's still sending the ball miles.
However, our (then) club Pro, Paul Weekes (clang), told me that the weight should NOT be taken from the hitting area.

 what happened to 1271 (some are sick of me mentioning a brand so i will not) Gav took the weight out of the edge and the toe...

Never the hitting area.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2014, 10:09:14 PM »
Quote from: CameronPye94 on March 02, 2014, 09:51:08 PM
No, decent pressed willow will perform if you have 20mm edges or 45mm edges. If size mattered the GN scoop wouldn't have ever been made.
I think Tim did an experiment with a high density cleft and concluded size doesn't matter.
I'm going to show my ignorance here.
Isn't one of the benefits of a GN scoop that it distributes the weight to the edges making it look bigger for the weight and making the middle bigger, if not as powerful as a traditional bat.  I know someone who has one and it looks huge for about 2.10
I don't get the GN scoop reference in relation to size not mattering. Sorry for my ignorance.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2014, 10:11:26 PM »
My mate won the clubs avgs, and leagues top division top scorer with a eBay bought Indian blank bat for 45delivered.

I won the entire mid weeks avg with a mmi3

And an ex team mate once came second in the league averages with a sports direct special.




User is generally more important thAn the brand/maker, us mortals just like the placebo the g1+++ sticker gives it.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2014, 10:12:36 PM »
I used a scoop 2 seasons ago it hits as far as a normal bat.

I hit a six.

The theory is there is a optimum quantity of wood the width that can produce performance the rest is a waste.

Amplus that's another theory too with the two middles theory...
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2014, 10:14:31 PM »
Quote from: d7bow on March 02, 2014, 10:03:42 PM
having looked at Aswanis m@h stock yesterday, there is no way in the world these m&h amplus, ck22, masters bats were made from oversized clefts. Are they made from low density clefts, I would probably say no to that as well.
Then surely they are are breaking the laws upheld by trading standards relating to advertising. The M&H website describes oversized clefts for a number of the bats I have quoted.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2014, 10:17:32 PM »
Quote from: Steveo1000 on March 02, 2014, 10:14:31 PM
Then surely they are are breaking the laws upheld by trading standards relating to advertising. The M&H website describes oversized clefts for a number of the bats I have quoted.
No idea. They did use oversize clefts for the distinction, but they no longer make that bat.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2014, 10:18:54 PM »
Quote from: Steveo1000 on March 02, 2014, 10:14:31 PM
Then surely they are are breaking the laws upheld by trading standards relating to advertising. The M&H website describes oversized clefts for a number of the bats I have quoted.

Have they quoted what a standard sized cleft is?

Does an oversized cleft have an industry standard measurement?

I really think it is a marketing ploy. Plain and simple.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2014, 10:19:25 PM »
Quote from: Gingerbusiness on March 02, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
Steve,

Please do not take me the wrong way. I did not mean to cause offence in anyway.

I was merely making the point that you could have had Warsop, Hunts etc make you an exact copy for 50% of that price - which if you are FastEddie, would have gone on some expensive sparking grape juice!! :-[

If you went for it because it won many awards because of its performance - fair play. I am saying not everyone will buy a £300+ M&H, Newbery etc... etc... etc... for that reason.

Can I ask though, why you brought the Grade 1 and not the Grade 2? Was that because you perceived it to be better?
Because I wanted one that weighed 2.8
They are pretty rare so I had limited choice. The mark II bats I came across at that weight didn't feel as good as the mark I I got the chance to tap up. Basically I was prepared to pay a bit more for a bat that felt better to me.
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2014, 10:21:11 PM »
Standard cleft has a maximum spine of 65cm and oversized is 75-80cm I believe
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Re: BUYING YOUR NEXT BAT
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2014, 10:24:21 PM »
Quote from: toenails97 on March 02, 2014, 10:21:11 PM
Standard cleft has a maximum spine of 65cm and oversized is 75-80cm I believe

For this to be checked, we need to know who supplies M&H with clefts and what their standards are.
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