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« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2014, 01:55:23 PM »

Do people still believe the 'poor student' routine still?? Surely enough of us have been there, done it etc that we know you're not that poor. Like I say, you don't see many students not drinking, smoking etc. I could probably go on twitter. Ow and find a post saying 'loan day today, can't wait to spend it'

Thing is, increasing the student price to adult would result in a fair few of them giving up the game too.  A lot of clubs locally rely on kids and students to get out their teams, price them out of the game and that's a lot of the lifeblood of most clubs out the window.

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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2014, 02:14:47 PM »

Myself and Redders are currently having this debate of raising subs/match fees to fund improvements. Our £30 / £6 a game is nothing for a decent private ground with sight screens, nets and fairly modern clubhouse. The problem comes when something breaks down, because we only charge the absolute minimum to maintain the club we end up having to beg/borrow to fix things. We have a list of things as long as your arm to fix and the groundsman has resorted to selling jam for the cash to spend on maintenance of the ground. It's bonkers really.
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« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2014, 02:30:20 PM »

Thing is, increasing the student price to adult would result in a fair few of them giving up the game too.  A lot of clubs locally rely on kids and students to get out their teams, price them out of the game and that's a lot of the lifeblood of most clubs out the window.

I seriously don't think that would be the case. Students (anyone tbh) finds the cash to do something they want. Again though, why should one section get something for less? Maybe I'd be put off with the cost too so why can't I have a discount??
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« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2014, 02:31:25 PM »

Why do folk with money always moan about folk without wanting/needing discounts?


Maybe why they have money.
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« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2014, 02:32:59 PM »

You won't be alone there! Who do you play for?
it's only cold and windy on cold and windy days  ;)

I play for Hornchurch.
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« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2014, 02:33:51 PM »

Regards students and reduced fees, last year's ECB player survey highlighted the huge drop off from the game between the ages of 15 to 21, with those players lost to cricket. So if anything clubs should be doing more to ensure players in that age group, mainly students, are retained by clubs.
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« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2014, 02:37:06 PM »

Why do folk with money always moan about folk without wanting/needing discounts?


Maybe why they have money.

Fairness. All I think is that of everyone is selected equally then what they pay should be equal. After all, an adult could be working and end up with less disposable income than a student. Like I said, I'm yet to know, meet or we any student who doesn't pee their student loan up the wall, buy fancy clothes etc. Meaning they have enough to contribute properly. If I work my backside off behind the scenes then I'd expect preferred treatment when it comes to selection over  the lazy sods who just turn up. Same with subs, if I pay my £80 and some student only paying £40 keeps me from playing a game then I'd be annoyed as again, you see their twitter, fb or listen to them saying how drunk they were, or how cool x band was etc.. If you can afford that then you can afford to pay full price. Seems only fair.

As for them dropping off, I'd say there are more bigger factors than a few quid and that there are more adults falling away each year!  That age group fall away due to exams, discovering drink, to cool to play, girls, uni etc. I'd put cash on it having nothing to do with the cost.
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« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2014, 02:40:38 PM »

Regards students and reduced fees, last year's ECB player survey highlighted the huge drop off from the game between the ages of 15 to 21, with those players lost to cricket. So if anything clubs should be doing more to ensure players in that age group, mainly students, are retained by clubs.

Hard to retain a player if they go to university in a different region.

Say you play for a club in Essex. But go to uni I'm Edinburgh. You may struggle to find a club, or even think. Well I go home for the holidays in a month or so. So not paying a yearly fee for a few games.
Then your back in Essex, and you want to see friends and family(who work during the week) so you end up keeping your weekends free for socialising. So again don't bother with cricket.

They then finish uni at 21 and then either return to the game, or have gotten used to life without.



To deal with this, clubs in and around student accommodation should look to offer discounted yearly subs to cover the periods they be around for. To entice them to play! And stay in the game.
Then clubs who loses players for uni, should stay in contact, and try to ensure there are midweek slots for them during there time back home. Again to keep them in the game,

For said players, leagues also need to remove the red tape involved, it becomes a ballache when said players, need forms signing from both clubs for transfers. That many will just think, what's the point and again give up!

You should be able to be registered for a few clubs, asking as they don't play in the same leagues/comps.


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« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2014, 02:41:56 PM »

Fairness. All I think is that of everyone is selected equally then what they pay should be equal. After all, an adult could be working and end up with less disposable income than a student. Like I said, I'm yet to know, meet or we any student who doesn't pee their student loan up the wall, buy fancy clothes etc. Meaning they have enough to contribute properly. If I work my backside off behind the scenes then I'd expect preferred treatment when it comes to selection over  the lazy sods who just turn up. Same with subs, if I pay my £80 and some student only paying £40 keeps me from playing a game then I'd be annoyed as again, you see their twitter, fb or listen to them saying how drunk they were, or how cool x band was etc.. If you can afford that then you can afford to pay full price. Seems only fair.

As for them dropping off, I'd say there are more bigger factors than a few quid and that there are more adults falling away each year!  That age group fall away due to exams, discovering drink, to cool to play, girls, uni etc. I'd put cash on it having nothing to do with the cost.

Adults tend to leave clubs more due to other commitments and the cost.  I came up paying a kids rate and a student rate and then an adult rate.  I have no problems with having different rates for different folks, because I know if we all paid the same price I wouldn't get to play week in week out as I'd struggle to put a team together.

I bet you're one of those tight people that charges your team mates for a lift to and from away games too...
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« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2014, 02:44:38 PM »

Adults tend to leave clubs more due to other commitments and the cost.  I came up paying a kids rate and a student rate and then an adult rate.  I have no problems with having different rates for different folks, because I know if we all paid the same price I wouldn't get to play week in week out as I'd struggle to put a team together.

I bet you're one of those tight people that charges your team mates for a lift to and from away games too...

No, I've brought a 4x4 to make getting to games easier actually. Don't presume because I want fairness that I am looking out for number one. I'm probably more likely than anyone to do myself out of cash than horde it.

It's about fairness. Why should one get something cheaper than another. Especially when there isn't a good reason for it other than 'it's how it's always been'.
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« Reply #100 on: April 17, 2014, 02:49:57 PM »

That is like saying an unemployed adult should pay the same as a working adult. I can't see that being fair to the unemployed man.
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« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2014, 02:57:24 PM »


I bet you're one of those tight people that charges your team mates for a lift to and from away games too...

pretty harsh, not sure why that was needed ??
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« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2014, 02:58:44 PM »

That is like saying an unemployed adult should pay the same as a working adult. I can't see that being fair to the unemployed man.

Unemployed people don't get huge loans or usually (although not exclusive) enough to go out getting lashed most weeks.
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« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2014, 03:05:00 PM »

playing slots should be allocated first and foremost to full paying members that is always what our club tries to do as they are contributing financially to the club. we have other players that are unemployed that help out the grounds man and at club training nights that also get into this list but, Id have to agree that usually the uni lads do begrudge paying same rates as full members but are always at the bar !
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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2014, 03:11:12 PM »

That is like saying an unemployed adult should pay the same as a working adult. I can't see that being fair to the unemployed man.

This.

Personally, I was against the scrapping of the fee for unemployed members, especially as the most of the ones I can think of all had kids that occasionally play in the senior sides.  The real reason for scrapping it was a couple of people taking the mick out of the system.

My parents never paid my match fees or my annual membership for me when I was at the end of my time in colts cricket and starting paying a student fee.  I'm gratful that there is a differentiation in the fees, otherwise I'd never have carried on playing cricket after I left school.

I don't think clubs should subscribe to the communist view of everyone paying the same, regardless of age as that's a bit ridiculous.

Although one thing I hate is collecting money off someone I've called in to play at the last minute due to drop outs.  I believe those good samaritans should be let off their match fees if they step in
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