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No Ball? Dismissal?...
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:55:56 AM »
Hi all,

Just wanted to get your thoughts on something that happened in the game i played in yesterday....

So our No.3 got a chest high full toss (from a seamer) which he somehow managed to hit straight in the air and get caught!!

The square leg umpire signals no ball but the bowlers end umpire gives our No.3 out saying he didn't think it was a no ball. Our No.3 begrudgingly walks off.

Should the bowlers end umpire be giving a no ball because the square leg umpire has signaled? or is it purely his decision?

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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 12:07:48 PM »
What a shocker
Should have been not out and a warning
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 12:14:57 PM »
Final decision lies with the bowlers end umpire. In this instance, out.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 12:29:23 PM »
i agree, but i dont know for sure, i think the bowlers end umpire has to call it a no ball, the square lag vampire is just advice.

I have a realted question...

What about this "double team"

spinner is bowling, batsman come down the track - early,
spinner throws/bolws the ball over the batters head to the keeper,
keeper throws it to the slip, who throws it back to the keeper who take the bails off

batsman run out off a no ball??? sounds goo to me!

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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 01:56:16 PM »
Bad umpiring! The bowlers end umpire should have talked to the square leg umpire to ensure that they get the correct decision.
A good umpire would ask for the match ball and then go and ask the square leg umpire what he saw and why he thinks it was a no ball. Then make the decision based on what the square leg umpire said and what he saw himself!
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2014, 01:57:43 PM »
Quote from: six and out on May 04, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
Hi all,

Just wanted to get your thoughts on something that happened in the game i played in yesterday....

So our No.3 got a chest high full toss (from a seamer) which he somehow managed to hit straight in the air and get caught!!

The square leg umpire signals no ball but the bowlers end umpire gives our No.3 out saying he didn't think it was a no ball. Our No.3 begrudgingly walks off.

Should the bowlers end umpire be giving a no ball because the square leg umpire has signaled? or is it purely his decision?

Had something similar a couple of season's ago - went to pull a chest high full bunger and bottom edged it onto the sticks - what can you do...?
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 03:03:12 PM »
Quote from: RossViper on May 04, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
i agree, but i dont know for sure, i think the bowlers end umpire has to call it a no ball, the square lag vampire is just advice.

I have a realted question...

What about this "double team"

spinner is bowling, batsman come down the track - early,
spinner throws/bolws the ball over the batters head to the keeper,
keeper throws it to the slip, who throws it back to the keeper who take the bails off

batsman run out off a no ball??? sounds goo to me!

what is the batsman doing all the while?

But if the question was to be taken seriously, if the batsman is not attempting to take a run, he will still be not out.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2014, 03:37:16 PM »
As a batsmen I would have stood my ground and told the standing umpire that its the square leg umpire's job to call no balls on height and not the standing umpire.

So many high full tosses actually are actually missed by square leg umpires not paying attention, seen it soo many times
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 03:41:27 PM »
Quote from: csnew on May 04, 2014, 03:37:16 PM
As a batsmen I would have stood my ground and told the standing umpire that its the square leg umpire's job to call no balls on height and not the standing umpire.

So many high full tosses actually are actually missed by square leg umpires not paying attention, seen it soo many times

Isn't it actually the bowlers end umpires job to spot a no ball. Sq leg ump can assist by guiding but it's not his call.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 03:49:49 PM »
Quote from: Red Ink Cricket on May 04, 2014, 03:41:27 PM
Isn't it actually the bowlers end umpires job to spot a no ball. Sq leg ump can assist by guiding but it's not his call.

Yep, spot on

(b) Bowling of high full pitched balls

(i) Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

(ii) A slow delivery which passes or would have passed on the full above shoulder height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

7. Dangerous and unfair bowling - action by the umpire

(a) As soon as the bowler’s end umpire decides under 6(a) above that the bowling of fast short pitched balls has become dangerous and unfair, or, except as in 8 below, there is an instance of dangerous and unfair bowling as defined in 6(b) above, he shall call and signal No ball. When the ball is dead, he shall caution the bowler, inform the other umpire, the captain of the fielding side and the batsmen of what has occurred. This caution shall apply throughout the innings.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2014, 05:22:56 PM »
Quote from: six and out on May 04, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
Hi all,

Just wanted to get your thoughts on something that happened in the game i played in yesterday....

So our No.3 got a chest high full toss (from a seamer) which he somehow managed to hit straight in the air and get caught!!

The square leg umpire signals no ball but the bowlers end umpire gives our No.3 out saying he didn't think it was a no ball. Our No.3 begrudgingly walks off.

Should the bowlers end umpire be giving a no ball because the square leg umpire has signaled? or is it purely his decision?

I got a chest high full toss off a medium pace outswinger bowler yesterday, helped it round the corner straight to backward square leg on the boundary - both umpires looked at each other.....neither gave a no ball! >:(
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2014, 06:19:25 PM »
This is all pretty subjective.

As a player, whatever you do is wrong, up to the non striker to be a bit crafty, perhaps, call a single and say, it is high, we can run.
That way at least the umpire has to think before the catch.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 06:47:12 PM »
Quote from: Batoff on May 04, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
This is all pretty subjective.

As a player, whatever you do is wrong, up to the non striker to be a bit crafty, perhaps, call a single and say, it is high, we can run.
That way at least the umpire has to think before the catch.
Surely it isn't subjective. The laws of the game mean it isn't open to subjectivity.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 06:54:14 PM »
What is subjective is the interpretation of whether the ball is above the waist by the umpires.
Some also forget it is waist high in your stance and not standing up.
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Re: No Ball? Dismissal?...
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2014, 07:46:27 PM »
Quote from: Batoff on May 04, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
What is subjective is the interpretation of whether the ball is above the waist by the umpires.
Some also forget it is waist high in your stance and not standing up.

but what some people also forget is that it is at the crease, so a batsman batting outside, as many do, has to expect to lose a few inches...
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