Advertise on CBF

Pages: 1 ... 9 10 [11] 12 13 ... 19

Author Topic: England v Sri Lanka series  (Read 33402 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Montys Beard

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 280
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #150 on: June 04, 2014, 08:20:31 AM »


Why would he keep a low profile because of accusations?just because thats what Grame Swann would have done doesn't mean Senanayeka should follow the same.We are no pussies to run and hide and follow Swann's English mentality.and how does thinking intelligent and earning his team a wicket make him very stupid?


His action is legal and legit.he knows it and the Sri Lankan management knows it.thats what they pushed him to play the deciding game and brought him on inside the first 10 overs.

Don't even know where to start with this so I wont bother....
Logged
"The aim of English cricket is, in fact, mainly to beat Australia" - Jim Laker
@LiamGarratt

stevie_94_

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 186
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #151 on: June 04, 2014, 08:22:00 AM »

Lahiru Thirimanne mankaded by Ravichandran Ashwin:

All it needed was one of the senior pros to do what sachin did and it would have been a complete non issue
Logged

Montys Beard

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 280
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #152 on: June 04, 2014, 08:26:50 AM »

Lahiru Thirimanne mankaded by Ravichandran Ashwin: http://youtu.be/qsZTPrU4JjY
All it needed was one of the senior pros to do what sachin did and it would have been a complete non issue


I remember this, Matthews was on strike.
Logged
"The aim of English cricket is, in fact, mainly to beat Australia" - Jim Laker
@LiamGarratt

Gingerbusiness

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1538
  • Trade Count: (+8)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #153 on: June 04, 2014, 08:29:42 AM »

Oh, go on, lets have a flame war.  Pretty please?  Pretty please with toasted marshmallows?

I don't personally have too big of an issue with the Mankading; whilst I am not convinced I would have allowed one of my bowlers to uphold the appeal and think that the so called spirit of the game was being stretched, it was nontheless within the laws of the game and Buttler had allegedly been warned so can have few real grumbles. 

But Senanayake's action I have real issues with - you say it "looks" like a chuck - well, I've seen it slowed down to near freeze frame and I can assure you it IS a chuck, and as has been discussed at much length on here, chucking is the single biggest threat to the game outside of illegal sub-continental bookmakers and the corruption they bring.  It would be heartening to have heard from some Sri Lankan fans to the effect that they feel the same way, or at least some evidence to contradict the allegation, but instead we hear SLCric's assertion that to even suggest that a Sri Lankan chucks is:
1. An insult to the good name of Sri Lanka and
2. Bitterness on the part of someone who can't acheive to the same standard (which is pretty odd because I'm sure most club cricketers have tried bowling with a Murali action in the nets for a laugh and found that, yes, they too can acheive insane revolutions on the ball if they don't worry about the niceties of the rules.

This is exactly the same attitude that was seen when Darryl Hair (quite correctly) no balled good old Muchi some years back, and is trotted out every time an Asian spinner is found to have a questionnable action.  The insult to the good name of Sri Lanka is not the suggestion that individual bowlers are chuckers any more than it would be an insult to the good name of England to state that Mervyn Westfield was a match fixer - the insult is that the team and their fans appear to think that they should be permitted to carry on in such a way regardless!

I am surprised the MCC and ECB haven't taken the stumps, gone home and said no-one gets to play until it is done properly...

It is a questionable delivery - that is why he has been reported and sent for tests. However, like Murali, he will adjust his action when being tested. The ball will deviate less, but the arm will be straighter. Testing, as referred to before, is a blunt instrument.

How we can change the situation

1. If bowlers have nothing to hide, ban bowlers from being allowed to wear long sleeve shirts. Everyone knows why, on a blisteringly hot day, some bowlers wear them.

2. The use of technology over a 365-day period (At the expense of the relative cricket board) to analyse a bowlers action in match conditions (heat spots etc).

3. Fines for hiding behind the national or racial 'vail of safety'. In a world where racism is becoming more and more unacceptable (The UK being one of the first societies to make racism socially unacceptable), if we flip this on it's head, why are other countries allowed to 'disrespect' us, our MCC, our ECB, in the name of protecting someone suspected of cheating by the very laws of the game we uphold?

I suggest the ECB/ICC/MCC* (Delete as appropriate) gets tough with Sri Lanka in this case and makes it very obvious that any reference to race being an issue, will incur an large-scale international ban of 12 months. I know this might sound tough, but I am sick and tired of certain countries playing the race card to get away with whatever they see to be a threat.
Logged

MD2812

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1504
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Hi, I'm Joe
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #154 on: June 04, 2014, 08:40:34 AM »

People are asking why is spirit of the game being questioned if it's in the rules.

Spirit of the game is about playing cricket to a morale standard.

Why are mankads bad and batsman not given a 2nd chance when stumping?

Simple: Skill involved in getting the batsman out.

Out stumped is skill from the wicket keeper, and bowler for beating the batsman. You have bettered that player and earned his wicket.
Out caught, skill from the fielder to hold onto the ball, could be a good ball, could be a bad shot. You've earned a wicket.
Out bowled, the bowler has beaten the batsman
Out LBW bowler has beaten the batsman
Out run out (excluding mankad) the fielder has beaten the batsman with a good throw

Out mankad, IMO you haven't got the batsman out using a skill.

Yes it's in the laws, but that doesn't mean it's in the spirit of the game.

What if after that the batsman on strike walked away from the crease as Senanyke was about to enter his delivery stride, and he did this 6 times in a row claiming there was movement behind the bowler. It's within the rules so he's allowed to do this, but it's obviously not within spirit of the game.



Kulli

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5413
  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Herr Kaleun
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #155 on: June 04, 2014, 08:46:04 AM »

Mankading without a warning I'd have an issue with, if he's given a warning or warning's then it's purely Buttlers fault for not taking note and making sure he wasn't backing up too far.
Logged
They won't catch us this time! Not this time! They haven't spotted us! No, they're all snoring in their bunks! Or, you know what? They're drinking at the bar, celebrating our sinking! Not yet, my friends. Not yet!

Manormanic

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6753
  • Trade Count: (+1)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #156 on: June 04, 2014, 08:50:29 AM »

I am surprised the MCC and ECB haven't taken the stumps, gone home and said no-one gets to play until it is done properly...

It is a questionable delivery - that is why he has been reported and sent for tests. However, like Murali, he will adjust his action when being tested. The ball will deviate less, but the arm will be straighter. Testing, as referred to before, is a blunt instrument.

How we can change the situation

1. If bowlers have nothing to hide, ban bowlers from being allowed to wear long sleeve shirts. Everyone knows why, on a blisteringly hot day, some bowlers wear them.

2. The use of technology over a 365-day period (At the expense of the relative cricket board) to analyse a bowlers action in match conditions (heat spots etc).

3. Fines for hiding behind the national or racial 'vail of safety'. In a world where racism is becoming more and more unacceptable (The UK being one of the first societies to make racism socially unacceptable), if we flip this on it's head, why are other countries allowed to 'disrespect' us, our MCC, our ECB, in the name of protecting someone suspected of cheating by the very laws of the game we uphold?

I suggest the ECB/ICC/MCC* (Delete as appropriate) gets tough with Sri Lanka in this case and makes it very obvious that any reference to race being an issue, will incur an large-scale international ban of 12 months. I know this might sound tough, but I am sick and tired of certain countries playing the race card to get away with whatever they see to be a threat.

Agree with all of that; I'd actually go one further and change the testing regime from purely out of competition testing to a hybrid test that, yes, requires the bowler to bowl legitimately in front of a slow motion camera system, but then links that back to footage of them in competition to confirm that the action is the same.  I would also require the player to wear the relevant brace in his first X number of competitive matches back to confirm the lack of straightening in competition.

 
Logged
"to be the man, you've got to beat the man"

Gingerbusiness

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1538
  • Trade Count: (+8)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #157 on: June 04, 2014, 08:56:06 AM »

Mankading without a warning I'd have an issue with, if he's given a warning or warning's then it's purely Buttlers fault for not taking note and making sure he wasn't backing up too far.

Is Mankading another word for 'Death of the Spirit of Cricket'? :-[

Sorry, I am not bi-lingual...

Seriously, common sense must prevail on this law. Buttler was not trying to steal an unfair advantage by charging, but backing up. YES, it is in the law. YES, he was warned. HOWEVER, is the dismissal itself in the spirit of the game? I still suggest not.
Logged

smokem

  • County 1st XI
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 973
  • Trade Count: (+1)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #158 on: June 04, 2014, 09:02:09 AM »

Is Mankading another word for 'Death of the Spirit of Cricket'? :-[

Sorry, I am not bi-lingual...

Seriously, common sense must prevail on this law. Buttler was not trying to steal an unfair advantage by charging, but backing up. YES, it is in the law. YES, he was warned. HOWEVER, is the dismissal itself in the spirit of the game? I still suggest not.
Sorry mate but there's about a foot's advantage in Buttler backing up too far. If there was a run out chance and he was in by half a foot, then surely he gained an unfair advantage? And he had been warned.
Logged

mini998

  • County 2nd XI
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 422
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #159 on: June 04, 2014, 09:08:45 AM »

Is Mankading another word for 'Death of the Spirit of Cricket'? :-[

Sorry, I am not bi-lingual...

Seriously, common sense must prevail on this law. Buttler was not trying to steal an unfair advantage by charging, but backing up. YES, it is in the law. YES, he was warned. HOWEVER, is the dismissal itself in the spirit of the game? I still suggest not.

Same thing in the end, he was gaining a foot or two unfairly and that much can make a big difference to a batsman getting run out or not. Eventually can decide the fate of a game. So it was Butler who was not playing within the spirit of the game by gaining unfair advantage.

Where was the spirit of cricket when Root clearly gloved it and stayed on till Sri Lankans reviewed?

Where was the spirit of cricket when England snatched Sri Lankans head coach just before the England tour where it gave an unfair advantage of knowing sensitive inside tactics and informations of Sri Lankans? I didn't see anyone here exploding and calling it unethical or calling it not within spirit of the game.

So spirit of the game ? no not any more.


Logged

trypewriter

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2227
  • Trade Count: (+2)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #160 on: June 04, 2014, 09:10:14 AM »

He had been warned and should have taken heed. Silly error.
Logged
'His was a cameo of savage cuts and pulls - the tragedy being that none made contact with the ball.'

Manormanic

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6753
  • Trade Count: (+1)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #161 on: June 04, 2014, 09:11:54 AM »

Seriously, common sense must prevail on this law. Buttler was not trying to steal an unfair advantage by charging, but backing up. YES, it is in the law. YES, he was warned. HOWEVER, is the dismissal itself in the spirit of the game? I still suggest not.

Difficult isn't it.  It was right in the Laws but not something anyone would feel comfortable having done.
Logged
"to be the man, you've got to beat the man"

mini998

  • County 2nd XI
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 422
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #162 on: June 04, 2014, 09:17:50 AM »

People are asking why is spirit of the game being questioned if it's in the rules.

Spirit of the game is about playing cricket to a morale standard.


Didn't see anyone questioning Root like this yesterday. :)
Logged

csnew

  • World Cup Winner
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4471
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #163 on: June 04, 2014, 09:19:12 AM »

Can't wait for league crickets this weekend, when someone tries to pull this off. It's good enough for international cricket so why not league cricket (different laws).

9 down, a few runs to win of the last over...non striker backing up too far, don't need to give a warning
Logged

csnew

  • World Cup Winner
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4471
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England v Sri Lanka series
« Reply #164 on: June 04, 2014, 09:20:48 AM »

Didn't see anyone questioning Root like this yesterday. :)

Can also add Bell to that from a few years ago when he was run out ball before tea but kicked off a fuss and was recalled by India. Can't have it both ways when it suits you
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 9 10 [11] 12 13 ... 19
 

Advertise on CBF