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[Manormanic]

Wrong again, it was within the rules and clearly stated in books. so not pick pocketing.

The Laws allow a bowler to bowl one head high full toss without being barred from bowling.  Are you now suggesting that it would be acceptable for Malinga to deliberately run in and hurl one at the head of the batsman?   FAce it, you haven't got a leg to stand on here!

[Gingerbusiness]

before pointing fingers at others,look into your own team and dressing room.the truth is,England was and will never be a team of unity and spirited cricketers.dressing room meltdowns,backstabbing,throwing players out of the team,dealing with other teams' coaches underhand and the list goes on.you and your so called English team is not in a state to comment about others.and lets not forget how that dickhead Root stood their like a muppet when he was clearly caught off his gloves.where was the spirit of cricket there?

Can someone give Arjuna Ranatunga a ring please? This guy has never heard of him...

[tim2000s]

Does this mean in ICC matches you can't drag your bat/have your bat in the crease but your feet out of it?

No, as if your bat is grounded in the crease then you are still inside the crease.

[MD2812]

Can't wait for league crickets this weekend, when someone tries to pull this off. It's good enough for international cricket so why not league cricket (different laws).

9 down, a few runs to win of the last over...non striker backing up too far, don't need to give a warning

What I worry about are club bowlers going off the ICC rules seen yesterday and not the MCC rules we play to.

[mini998]

The Laws allow a bowler to bowl one head high full toss without being barred from bowling.  Are you now suggesting that it would be acceptable for Malinga to deliberately run in and hurl one at the head of the batsman?   FAce it, you haven't got a leg to stand on here!

What if Senanayake bowled that ball and butler went for a run , fielder hits the stumps but butler is in by few inches because he had unfair advantage and not playing within spirit of the game? Then he goes to hit another 50 runs in next 20 balls and post a good total to win the match.

Who was against the spirit of the game here? it was Butler who was gaining unfair advantage in the first place, I don't know why it is so hard for you to understand.
Sri Lankans warned him twice to stick to the spirit of the game which they didn't have to , but still butler was doing the same thing, how many times do you think he should get warnings ? 

[tim2000s]

What I worry about are club bowlers going off the ICC rules seen yesterday and not the MCC rules we play to.

And that's always the issue with this kind of controversy. People play to the rules they watch, and in the Mankadding case, the rules are very different.

[Manormanic]

Can someone give Arjuna Ranatunga a ring please? This guy has never heard of him...

Or ask the Sri LAnkan government topick the team based on who is related to government ministers?

[mini998]

And that's always the issue with this kind of controversy. People play to the rules they watch, and in the Mankadding case, the rules are very different.

Our first team captain ManKadded an opposition player last season in a crunch match , so luckily I don't have to go through all the hassle about explaining the spirit of the game vs rules on next Saturday

[slcric]

I think it's nice that you wish to defend the actions and reputation of your country in such a way - sadly your choice to resort to personal comments about the other poster above says more about you.

After all, no-one on here has called you an idiot for posting in such a reactionary way have they?

well its nice of you to defend your buddy too but are you telling me Dave did not resort to personal comments about a player?Senanayeka is a human after all so calling him a chucker who needs to learn how to bowl says all about Dave.and Dave is no international player and what i said is unfortunately true.you cant bitch about my reply when your buddy goes around insulting our players without solid proof.if that is not posting in such a reactionary way then i don't know what is.

Can someone give Arjuna Ranatunga a ring please? This guy has never heard of him...

indeed i know Arjuna very well.we are good family friends.what do you want to tell me about him that i don't seem to know?

[slcric]

Or ask the Sri LAnkan government topick the team based on who is related to government ministers?

well how about you ask your own "English" government to pick 11 "English" players?


let the government pick our team does it really bother you lol?after all it didn't matter who picked our team.we outplayed you.

[csnew]

Our first team captain ManKadded an opposition player last season in a crunch match , so luckily I don't have to go through all the hassle about explaining the spirit of the game vs rules on next Saturday

Had a similar situation in a ill mannered league game last season, the opposition batsmen was literally 1/4 down the pitch every ball, our captain removed the bails 5+ times. Yet the home umpire refused to follow the laws of the game and give him out. The batsmen continued to gain a advantage particularly when he wanted to farm the strike

[Blazer]

I don't know what MCC spirit of cricket everyone is claiming to exist. Sledging is rife , so is using unfair methods to gain advantage such as using mints, roughening up the ball. The MCC spirit of cricket was dead a long time ago. why flog a dead horse ?. I have seen many bowlers including our captain (ex prem league and an excellent one) chucking the odd one in division 1 and this happens irrespective of race/ colour. As long as there is allowance for bending , how can one be sure ?.

[MD2812]

Jayawardene said:

"We always try to play in the right spirit, but if the other team is not playing in the right spirit and not going with the law, then unfortunately we had to take the law into our hands. It was the third time. It is fair enough, I think. We all need to play by the rules.

"If the other sides are not going by the rules, then they're not playing by the spirit, so what can you do?"


Beside OPINION of whether it's right or wrong to steal a run. Can anyone actually point to the ICC rules and show where it says it is illegal for a batsman to leave his crease as the bowler is entering his delivery swing?

[AverageCricketer]

Here is what Clarke said: http://www.cricket.com.au/news-list/2014/6/4/mankad-in-the-rules-says-michael-clarke

[Giraffe208]

Exactly my point , If England wanted to stay within the spirit of the game and still wanted to hire  Farbrace then they could have

1. Offer the job after the series
 
or

2.Hire him but sit him out of Sri Lanka series to play fair.

I don't think I have to explain how crucial it is for a head coach to jump sides just before an important series like this (it was important series at least for Sri Lankans) .

He knew most of the strengths and weaknesses about current SL players , he was the one SL players trusted to discuss their strengths and weaknesses only two- three weeks ago. So now he is sitting in England dressing room and feeding all that info to the opposition.

He knows about recent inside team tactics which Sri Lankan team use in crunch situations, now he is feeding that information to English players.

Timing was too soon for him to change sides , so it was highly unethical and not within the spirit of the game , but still within rules and that is how things works in professional sports these days.

That was the point I was trying to make.

I appreciate what you are saying BUT...

1) Why hire him after the series when he could be such a valuable asset during it

2) Sitting him out of the series would be ridiculous as he is on the payroll so needs to earn his wage.

I fully agree that a change in head coach is huge but that's just life I guess. People make decisions all over the world in all walks of life linked to their place of work and unfortunately this is just another. With regards to it being 'unethical' and not within the 'spirit of the game' I'm not so sure. It isn't like he is on the field with the players. yes information can be passed over but you still have to be good enough to execute a plan. I see your point but don't think it fits under the umbrella of ethics and spirit of the game.

Finally if yourself or the Sri Lankan team were so concerned about what is ethically right should Senanayake be withdrawn from bowling because there is the possibility he has a 'suspect' action? Ethically if there was a chance it wasn't suitable surely taking the moral high ground and saying sorry but you aren't going to bowl until we can get you tested and cleared......They wouldn't do that and neither would I in their shoes because as with most things, you are innocent until proven guilty.

I don't think much of what is being discussed can be brought under the ethics umbrella in my opinion but without doubt some of what you are saying definitely has an impact and could be deemed unfair but unfortunately that's just timing and perhaps a clever move from the ECB in an attempt to try and find immediate success (Obviously didn't work enough in the ODI's so I wouldn't be too disheartened if I were you)