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[Manormanic]

quite! of course he'll just bowl a load of lobs in the test and be cleared to chuck again!

[MD2812]

It's hilarious reading replies to the ECB tweet stating this.

1 guy was going mental, saying the ECB are jealous and bitter. They ECB responded saying they didn't raise it and he thinks it's a big controversy and it's unfair on Senanyke and disrespectful to him etc etc

[Manormanic]

1 guy was going mental, saying the ECB are jealous and bitter. They ECB responded saying they didn't raise it and he thinks it's a big controversy and it's unfair on Senanyke and disrespectful to him etc etc

how long till we get the race card out?  I give it T minus five...four...

[Giraffe208]

Well it's the responsibility of the umpires to report the bowler so not sure why someone is going nuts at the ECB.

In addition, anyone that thinks he doesn't throw it is in serious denial. The action is ridiculous and why things take so long to come about is beyond me! There are quite a few in the game at the moment and it's a shame that umpires are often too afraid to stand up and do something about it. How on earth the current crop of spin bowlers setting the world alight are even allowed to get to the top level before something is questioned is beyond me.

I'm fully aware that as they play more they will practise and try to implement things / actions to gain an advantage or deception but they must be applied within the laws of the game. Currently they aren't and I hope there is a real crackdown and some more freedom given to umpires to stamp it out. I've seen a couple of instances in club level cricket where bowlers have a very suspect action and just carry on through season after season with nothing happening! If an umpire suspects there is something wrong it would be nice at drinks or fall of wicket if umpires changed ends so they could both view the action rather than relying on one persons subjective view.

There will never be a fool proof system in place but we can only hope!

[Kieron_BT]

In addition, anyone that thinks he doesn't throw it is in serious denial.

I put a picture of his action on my Facebook page well before he was reported and only 1 lad who came over to play for us for a couple of years laughed and said I was wrong about him throwing. Ill let you all take a guess at where he comes from...

[MD2812]

It seems fans are too often tinted by *insert team shirt colour here* tinted glasses.

I wonder if I fall into this bracket when I defend that Stuart Broad didn't edge it to first slip. He edged it to the keeper, the keeper parried it to first slip. If the keeper had parried it to Gully would Broad have edged it gully?

I wish the ICC would be tight on these suspicious Doosra's, they'll spread like wildfire if we're not careful.

Team I played against on Saturday had a spinner who I felt was going beyond 15 degrees, when I mentioned it to a fellow player on my team, "he's been playing for 20 years and nobody has raised it so it can't be raised now"

[joeljonno]

Perhaps to stop this "race card" issue and singling out players who may or may not be chuckers, they should bring in random sampling and testing.

Every bowler must be tested every 2-4 years and all new bowlers within the first 12 months of international cricket.

I am sure there will be a time where a computer can monitor this in game.  A bit like hawkeye but for bowling actions.

[Rob580]

I am sure there will be a time where a computer can monitor this in game.  A bit like hawkeye but for bowling actions.

And then it be a no ball if they exceed 15 degrees. I like it! Would certainly stop all this pussyfooting around by umpires.
Technology might be a bit far off though, plus can't see the countries with guys who have been investigated recently (West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc) agreeing to it's use, much like India with the DRS.

But food for thought for the future.

[joeljonno]

And then it be a no ball if they exceed 15 degrees. I like it! Would certainly stop all this pussyfooting around by umpires.
Technology might be a bit far off though, plus can't see the countries with guys who have been investigated recently (West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc) agreeing to it's use, much like India with the DRS.

But food for thought for the future.

the way technology moves, I would not be shocked if it could already be done.  Just need someone to pay for the time and effort into actually providing this.  It would need a few camera angles and such like, maybe a heat sensor to get through the shirt.

Not sure about it being a no-ball, as it would have to be turned around quick.  Maybe give the opposition 4 runs each time and deduct 5% of the bowler and captains match fee,  that would soon stop it.

[mini998]

I don't think majority of Sri Lankan fans are bringing out the 'Race card' on this one rather than being nationalistic and sticking with their player hoping for the best, similar things happen all over the cricket regardless of the colour . Obviously there will be few ignorant people who will pull out the race card.
That Stuart Broad incident was a good example, a guy in our team who values spirit of the game did a complete U turn on his opinions to defend Stuart Broad incident saying it's umpires decision to give players out and all that.

As a Sri Lankan my self and many of other SL fans agree that his action looks bad to the naked so it has to get checked. But regardless the outcome he will be classed as a chucker for the rest of his career.

And you can't decide if a player chucks more than 15 degrees by watching on 2D image on TV, for example if the bowler keep the same bent on his arm but twists the arm from the shoulder then it looks like he has extended the arm on 2D view, but in reality he hasn't. So testing has to be done properly in a lab or with multiple cameras in match conditions. And many get this 15 degree rule mixed up, including past international players, It's the flex which is not allowed , you can bowl with your arm bent for 90 degrees is you want toas long as he keeps the same amount of bend at the point of delivery.

Plus it doesn't really help when people try to call the likes of Malinga a chucker , then it starts to look like they are being desperate and trying to call everyone a chucker.

[csnew]

New coach and still same old thinking.
Would it not have been better to show some flexibility in the batting order and send in a right hand batsmen instead of having 2 Lefty's out there against off spin.
After a decent start, could have sent in a bopara or buttler instead of balance

[Gingerbusiness]

New coach and still same old thinking.
Would it not have been better to show some flexibility in the batting order and send in a right hand batsmen instead of having 2 Lefty's out there against off spin.
After a decent start, could have sent in a bopara or buttler instead of balance

Possibly but then you move England away from their game plan of accelerating through the middle overs with a thrash the end of the innings.

Look great if it works, stupid if it doesn't.

[Gingerbusiness]

It's hilarious reading replies to the ECB tweet stating this.

1 guy was going mental, saying the ECB are jealous and bitter. They ECB responded saying they didn't raise it and he thinks it's a big controversy and it's unfair on Senanyke and disrespectful to him etc etc

The race card is often used to protect players/individuals from the onlooking gaze of the authorities.

Do people want the ICC/ECB to police the game and safeguard its heritage and future? Or would they like to see the morality of the game eroded for their own means/ends?

Unfortunately, some people choose the latter.

[csnew]

Possibly but then you move England away from their game plan of accelerating through the middle overs with a thrash the end of the innings.

Look great if it works, stupid if it doesn't.

Thought the plan is get off to a good start, keep the batting order the same, the middle order struggles to score and then collapses as is the case today

[Kieron_BT]

Am only able to read ESPN but have Sri Lanka actually earned a wicket yet or have England given everyone one of them away as it seems?