Topic: Saeed Ajmal (Read 22276 times)

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #60 on:** May 22, 2014, 02:45:23 PM »

I agree that there is no place for cheats and chuckers but sometimes you have to sit back think about he practicality of the law / rule that puts people in this bracket!! I am a bowler and have never tried to chuck/throw etc but I do sometimes wonder why all the restrictions for bowlers? No bouncers, no chucking...

I had once heard a Canadian player complain about playing in provincial tournament as the pitches were not too good and they did not have enough time to adapt. My point was you represent canada, you are atleast better than all the other players in canada who are not up there playing at your level so it should be easier for you.... point being if you are a half decent batsman then forget about what the bowler is doing and focus on your batting...moment we fail we start making excuses, what will you do if a bowler could bowl like Ajmal or Murali without chucking? ok there isn't one now but there might be one if future...

People in baseball hit huge homeruns to what we would call chucking in cricket. There is no rule about what a batting stance should look like or you won't get runs for a straight drive if your elbow isn't high etc...in other sports too, that i can think of, there are no rules around how your are expected to do whatever is needed with putting limits on your body...tell Usain bolt to run with his legs being allowed to come up to a certain angle etc...

Again cheats should not be allowed to play and we should not be scared of calling them out but what makes the rule that make them a cheat rational?

Tail Ender · « **Reply #61 on:** May 22, 2014, 03:28:41 PM »

Quote from: mini998 on May 22, 2014, 02:28:32 PM

Couldn't be more wrong.

Biomechanical studies in 2004 showed Murali straightened his arm by up to 14 degrees when he bowled the doosra. Under the rules at the time, spinners could extend their arms to five degrees. For the sake of fairness, detailed analysis at the same time of the bowling actions of the likes of Lillee, Trueman, Hadlee, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Botham and Allan Donald also showed they were just over the five degree rule. The ICC then changed the law soon after to 15 degrees. I couldn't be more wrong? I suppose you call that a coincidence?

mini998 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 22, 2014, 03:37:02 PM »

Quote from: Tail Ender on May 22, 2014, 03:28:41 PM

Biomechanical studies in 2004 showed Murali straightened his arm by up to 14 degrees when he bowled the doosra. Under the rules at the time, spinners could extend their arms to five degrees. They then changed it soon after to 15 degree. I couldn't be more wrong? I suppose you call that a coincidence?

You said
"The fact that the ICC changed the rule to allow for 15 degrees to accommodate Murali"

That's wrong , it was in fact done to accommodate most of the other bowlers , otherwise players like Lee , Mcgrath were in danger of getting called for throwing.

I think Lee was extending something like 15 degrees while McGrath was 12-13 degrees (Don't quote me on those numbers , just from the memory.)

compstallcc · « **Reply #63 on:** May 22, 2014, 07:43:51 PM »

i know a lad well who plays for cheshire at under 15's, he is now not allowed to bowl in county games until is action is cleared and it is getting tested in a match next week which im playing in. First thing the coaches suggested was to see if he would 'change his action' taking away all the talent he has in my opinion. Im not sure if he'll be less or more than 15% but will be interesting to find out

Kez · « **Reply #64 on:** May 22, 2014, 07:56:51 PM »

Quote from: Tail Ender on May 22, 2014, 03:28:41 PM

Biomechanical studies in 2004 showed Murali straightened his arm by up to 14 degrees when he bowled the doosra. Under the rules at the time, spinners could extend their arms to five degrees. For the sake of fairness, detailed analysis at the same time of the bowling actions of the likes of Lillee, Trueman, Hadlee, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Botham and Allan Donald also showed they were just over the five degree rule. The ICC then changed the law soon after to 15 degrees. I couldn't be more wrong? I suppose you call that a coincidence?

haha " Lillee, Trueman, Hadlee, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Botham" had their actions analysed like Murali's was?
You cannot tell from a 2d video let alone a 2d still image if anyone is "chucking" it or not.

Quote from: compstallcc on May 22, 2014, 07:43:51 PM

i know a lad well who plays for cheshire at under 15's, he is now not allowed to bowl in county games until is action is cleared and it is getting tested in a match next week which im playing in.

Tested in a game? How?

Questions will always be asked of players with kinks in their elbows as they bowl.
Also the wickets at New Road this year have been perfectly prepared for their attack.

Also mystery spinner? no mystery in them they just turn the ball both ways right?

compstallcc · « **Reply #65 on:** May 22, 2014, 08:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Kez on May 22, 2014, 07:56:51 PM

Tested in a game? How?

i think he is being videoed in the game so he bowls as he usually would but this is just my understanding

Tail Ender · « **Reply #66 on:** May 23, 2014, 12:43:57 AM »

Quote from: mini998 on May 22, 2014, 03:37:02 PM

You said
"The fact that the ICC changed the rule to allow for 15 degrees to accommodate Murali"

Yes. Do you really think it's a coincidence that Murali was delivering his doosra in testing from 14 degrees and the figure the ICC just happened to go with as acceptable was 15? Come on.

Jenko · « **Reply #67 on:** May 23, 2014, 01:49:36 AM »

Interesting how it's been brought up about different countries and how they look at their bowlers. When I was younger I fell away in the delivery stride, and my bowling arm would go past the perpendicular (I bowled massive in swingers as my arm would naturally be pushing the ball towards fine leg due to it being past the perpendicular). This would also give the illusion of a bent arm. I was lucky (unlucky?) enough to be in emerging players squads so was filmed/coached lots. Due to the illusion of my action, it was actually coached out of me. They straightened me up in the delivery stride and made me bowl more "round arm" - not actually round arm at all but it feels that way when your bowling arm is used to pushing down leg. Anyways they chaned me completely and now my bog standard ball is the out swinger. I wasn't the only kid who they did this too either. And this all happened before I was even close to the state set up!!!!

sgcricket · « **Reply #68 on:** May 23, 2014, 02:24:41 AM »

Quote from: Tail Ender on May 23, 2014, 12:43:57 AM

Yes. Do you really think it's a coincidence that Murali was delivering his doosra in testing from 14 degrees and the figure the ICC just happened to go with as acceptable was 15? Come on.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/141558.html

please read the article which includes quotes by Michael Holding. and this is exactly what i was referring to by half knowledge

Tail Ender · « **Reply #69 on:** May 23, 2014, 02:44:18 AM »

I found that article too. However, when the limit for pace bowlers was 10 degrees and guys like McGrath and Pollock were occasionally going to 12... that's a little more than 14 degrees when the limit for spinners was 5. And that was my point. The change was certainly made to accommodate his action more so.

alee · « **Reply #70 on:** May 23, 2014, 04:37:09 AM »

Interesting to note, most of the chuckers are off-spin bowlers. I see Saeed ajmal, Shane Shillingford and even Ashwin (his action is dubious as well).

Tail Ender · « **Reply #71 on:** May 23, 2014, 05:06:49 AM »

Quote from: alee on May 23, 2014, 04:37:09 AM

Interesting to note, most of the chuckers are off-spin bowlers. I see Saeed ajmal, Shane Shillingford and even Ashwin (his action is dubious as well).

That's because they can't bowl the doosra without chucking it

smilley792 · « **Reply #72 on:** May 28, 2014, 06:05:56 PM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2014/content/current/story/748355.html

Lol

Suprised the pcd has approached the forum owners....

Buzz · « **Reply #73 on:** August 11, 2014, 09:19:38 AM »

In an update - Cricinfo is reporting today that Ajmal has been reported for chucking

ESPNcricinfo @ESPNcricinfo � 8m

Saeed Ajmal has been reported for a suspected illegal bowling action during the Galle Test. Needs to undergo testing within 21 days.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2014/media-releases/81346/saeed-ajmal-reported-for-suspected-illegal-bowling-action

Giraffe208 · « **Reply #74 on:** August 11, 2014, 09:24:36 AM »

Was literally just about to post that Buzz.

It seems there is being a crackdown or at least a "testing time" for the current crop of international spinners. Excellent news in my eyes.

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