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[mini998]

There has to be scientific way of giving a value to this?

From what I can think of below are the characteristics which effects the pick up

1. Dead weight of the blade
2. Distance to the Centre of gravity from your bottom hand.
3. Thickness of the handle

Not sure if aero dynamics has any effect on con caving which eventually effects the pick up when you lift the bat? if it does then has to be very minimal I would have thought?

I've read bow has an effect as well but I'm failing to see how.

Did I miss anything?

[FattusCattus]

Bat X weighs 2'10
Bat Y weighs 2'8
Bat Z weighs 2'6

Time and time again i read a post, watch a video or hear it said in person that a bat weighing (for example) 2'10 picks up like 2'8. How can that be?! That sentence alone makes no sense at all. I've been meaning to get it off my chest for a while now, so here goes.

Lets say our willing volunteer 'Clive' picks up bat X after weighing it and seeing 2'10. He exclaims 'ooooh very light, picks up like 2'8'

He then picks up bat Y after weighing it at 2'8. Again he yelps 'oooooh yes, feels 2'6 squire!'

How in that case, can bat X feel 2'8!? What does a 2'8 bat feel like? Clive himself has just picked up bat Y which actually weighs 2'8 and said it feels like 2'6. So what exactly does bat X feel like?!

Of course Clive now has to pick up bat Z which does weigh 2'6 and makes the claim that it feels 2'4 or 2'5. How many people have ever held a bat that light? I would say very few. It again begs the question. How can bat Y which weighs 2'8, feel like 2'6 when bat Z which is 2'6 feels lighter?

Bats are a weight, an indisputable number. They either pickup heavy or they pickup light, some of course will pickup just right. Putting a number on them makes no sense at all for such a subjective thing.
Certain bat shapes lend to a lighter pickup, as do things like a heavier handle (handle weights can vary by a few ounces) or adding extra binding/grips to the handle, but none of these things change the weight, only the way the bat feels in the hands.

I would love to hear peoples thoughts on this, perhaps a genuine argument back about why a bat that weighs 2'10 can feel 2'8, i could have missed something but I don't see how.

Oooooh! Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side this morning!!! where's my handbag?

[FattusCattus]

In all seriousness, I never pick a bat on stated weight now - it is purely on pickup.

I use light bats now and my main bat is around 2.8lbs. But I have an old Symonds Tusker that weighs nearly 2.11 and picks up just as well, and is just as useable.

Also, Dave's ridiculous 3.2lbs bat that I used the other night - if he hadn't have told me the weight, I'd have staked my enormous reputation on it being 2.12 max.

It surely has to be on pickup if you have the luxury of being able to play with the bat before purchase?

[Manormanic]

In most instances I think these claims are spurious.  You could say "bat X picks up light for its actual weight of Z" but there is no way of putting an actual number on that; I suppose you could, if you picked the bat up blind, manage to justify "I was surprised to find that this weighed X because it felt lighter to me"?

[procricket]

As my mate Typewriter has said on a pm most pick up without gloves on anyway??  Defeats the whole object.

[Vitas Cricket]

As my mate Typewriter has said on a pm most pick up without gloves on anyway??  Defeats the whole object.

Correct. We have a loan set of gloves in the shop, if you are in to buy a bat you can't touch them until the gloves are on.

[The Palmist]

There has to be scientific way of giving a value to this?

From what I can think of below are the characteristics which effects the pick up

1. Dead weight of the blade
2. Distance to the Centre of gravity from your bottom hand.
3. Thickness of the handle

Not sure if aero dynamics has any effect on con caving which eventually effects the pick up when you lift the bat? if it does then has to be very minimal I would have thought?

I've read bow has an effect as well but I'm failing to see how.

Did I miss anything?

You missed

Weight and Strength of the batsman may be?

[mini998]

You missed

Weight and Strength of the batsman may be?

I don't think you got what I was trying to say,

Was trying to calculate a 'number' based on those attributes with Physics and Maths rather than relying on strength and opinion of a person.

[The Palmist]

ahh ok Mini...you are not working for GM by any chance, are you

[mini998]

ahh ok Mini...you are not working for GM by any chance, are you

LOL

End of the day it is  physics.

I think I missed the gap between two hands when holding the bat and the area covered by your hands when holding the bat .

[jwebber86]

im glad this annoys other people because it one of those little bug bears of mine. the worst is when they say i feel 0.5oz lighter then the stated weight as this is such a tiny amount its just nonsense.

I completely get that bats can pick up lighter then other even in the same weight.

[tim2000s]

And this whole topic is where this discussion http://184.154.5.91/cbforum/index.php?topic=29018.msg457055#msg457055 came from.

[Giraffe208]

Please no more maths!

[procricket]

To many people are overthinking.

Pick a bat up if it feels good to with it score your runs drink a beer if your old enough then go home tell the wife.

Repeat

[GarrettJ]

To many people are overthinking.

Pick a bat up if it feels good to with it score your runs drink a beer if your old enough then go home tell the wife.

Repeat

made me laugh a lot that!!

when i come home i have to get my bat out and gloves ona and then go through the shots i played so my wife can see them .... thankfully she is a serious cricket lover!!