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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2015, 04:15:43 PM »

I dont pay any attention to when people say a bat picks up like XYZ pounds.
And the reason being - any straight object when picked up from the point where CG is, is where it should feel lightest and thats the actual weight of the object. The object should start to feel heavier than the actual weight as you move the pick up point to left or right of the CG. And will feel heaviest when the object is picked up from either end. We hold the bat very close to one end and technically the bat should feel heavier than actual weight, never lighter than actual weight.

I think when people say it picks up lighter, it just means that they are comfortable using the bat and play the shots.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2015, 04:24:50 PM »

@CrickFreak yes, although I agree to an extent the pick up will depend on what things have been done to try and alter that CG point because obviously the closer the CG point is to the hands the lighter it will feel therefore you could have a 2:10 high middled bat with counter balance handle etc etc that would feel lighter than a 2:8 bat with the middle right at the toe a super skinny handle and no meat at the shoulders so it is worth listening to what people feel the pick up to be as a guidline but it is subjective.
As for the bat not being able to feel lighter than it does at this point that is correct but I think when this is said its what in general we would expect a bat of that shape to pick up like or a 'standard shape' bat in that weight would pick up and feel like and then if it is lighter than we'd expect them it has a light pick up.

Just my opinion any ways
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2015, 04:32:34 PM »

@CrickFreak yes, although I agree to an extent the pick up will depend on what things have been done to try and alter that CG point because obviously the closer the CG point is to the hands the lighter it will feel therefore you could have a 2:10 high middled bat with counter balance handle etc etc that would feel lighter than a 2:8 bat with the middle right at the toe a super skinny handle and no meat at the shoulders so it is worth listening to what people feel the pick up to be as a guidline but it is subjective.
As for the bat not being able to feel lighter than it does at this point that is correct but I think when this is said its what in general we would expect a bat of that shape to pick up like or a 'standard shape' bat in that weight would pick up and feel like and then if it is lighter than we'd expect them it has a light pick up.

Just my opinion any ways

Agreed, and an expert bat maker will move the CG higher up and still maintain the weight distribution such that you get good value for your shots (impart hight momentum on the ball). BUt still the point of pickup is going to be away from the CG point and the bat should feel heavier than actual weight, never lighter.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2015, 04:35:27 PM »

Yes it will always feel heavier than the dead weight but equally I think people get caught up and confused with what a heavy weight actually is like 2.12 could be considered heavy but although it will feel heavier it may well feel lighter than they are expecting, such as a 1271 shape from b3 will pick up well, not lighter


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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2015, 04:45:02 PM »

Isn't it just more BS designed to sell a bat, I'd be more inclined to believe it if you ever heard/read:

Low meddled shape, 2.8 but picks up like 2.10.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2015, 04:50:29 PM »

Isn't it just more BS designed to sell a bat, I'd be more inclined to believe it if you ever heard/read:

Low meddled shape, 2.8 but picks up like 2.10.

I bought a B3 on eBay with almost those exact words:
"The bat has 7 grains, a 37mm edge and weighs 2lb 8oz but feels about a ounce heavier as all the meat is at the bottom."
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2015, 05:58:30 PM »

@CrickFreak yes, although I agree to an extent the pick up will depend on what things have been done to try and alter that CG point because obviously the closer the CG point is to the hands the lighter it will feel therefore you could have a 2:10 high middled bat with counter balance handle etc etc that would feel lighter than a 2:8 bat with the middle right at the toe a super skinny handle and no meat at the shoulders so it is worth listening to what people feel the pick up to be as a guidline but it is subjective.
As for the bat not being able to feel lighter than it does at this point that is correct but I think when this is said its what in general we would expect a bat of that shape to pick up like or a 'standard shape' bat in that weight would pick up and feel like and then if it is lighter than we'd expect them it has a light pick up.

Just my opinion any ways

Couldnt have put it better.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2015, 08:05:27 PM »

Bit of a thread digup this...

Comparing pickup weights isn't the worst way of describing a bat, everyone has their own idea of what a bat should feel like at a certain weight. Gets stupid when people try and do it constantly though, or as a sales tool.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2015, 08:55:50 PM »

Always makes me laugh on here the amount of people who buy a bat then a week later they sell it on here as its too heavy by an ounce or two or 5/10 20p coins! Do think people get too hung up exact weights.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2015, 09:13:40 PM »

This is something that we are very interested in and to be honest we sell on dead weight purely because it is accepted in the industry. Is it correct? I personally don’t think it is, as different weights can “feel” or “pick up” differently irrespective of the scale weight.

The way it is described i.e. picking up lighter than its scale weight is not correct as hopefully the below diagram explains, as the scale weight is the lightest weight of the bat (held in the vertical plane). As you rotate the bat through 90 degree’s the bat will gain weight, due to the Centre of gravity (COG) being further away from the pivot point as the bat rotates.



The scientific name for “pick up” is Moment of Inertia or MOI, and every bat has a MOI which is related to a few things, namely Centre of Gravity and scale weight. If you could sell on MOI instead of scale weight – which is by no means an easy task you would ensure that the customer gets the right “balanced” / “pick-up” / “feel” of bat every time.

What people mean when they say it weighs 2lb 10oz but picks up 2lb 8oz is that comparatively the bat picks up lighter (lower MOI) than what a typical 2lb 10oz bat would, and therefore picking up lighter.

How can this be done, it is simple - by moving the centre of gravity closer to the pivot point, as the below image hopefully illustrates, al be it crudely. If these bats had the same blade/handle mass, and were the same volume, the bottom bat would have a lower MOI – or pick up better than the top bat. Also, if 2 bats had the same Mass, but one was fitted with a 3oz heavier handle and therefore the blade was 3oz lighter in mass (same volume) this too would result in a higher COG and therefore a lower MOI and significantly affect the pickup.



Whilst I completely disagree with this thread, I can see why people are confused about pick up, as presently it is all subjective. I have done a fair amount of research and started to develop shapes with an improved MOI, I will be doing some very interesting research with a couple of Masters Students at SHU in the New Year developing this theory.

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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2015, 09:32:26 PM »


What people mean when they say it weighs 2lb 10oz but picks up 2lb 8oz is that comparatively the bat picks up lighter (lower MOI) than what a typical 2lb 10oz bat would, and therefore picking up lighter.


That's all I needed to read, and the crux of my entire point. A 'typical' 2'10 bat does not exist.

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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2015, 09:49:03 PM »


That's all I needed to read, and the crux of my entire point. A 'typical' 2'10 bat does not exist.
Yes it does exist. A recent video we did of a GN500 weighed 2.10 and it felt just like a 2.10.

How do I know what a 2.10 bat feels like? 38 years of experience with branded cricket bats.

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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2015, 09:56:51 PM »

 Also  the greater  the bow of the blade  the higher ther centre of gravity therefore a blade with a pronounced bow and a low middle will pick up lighter than a flat blade with an high middle
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2015, 10:14:31 PM »

A typical bat for a low middle user is not the same as a typical bat for a higher middle user. That's why my lower middle bats are around 2lb8oz and the higher middles around 2lb12oz.
A person in the know will take into account the middle position of the bat in question and judge for themselves whether it will be suitable for them.
I do think though that too many people are a little precious when it comes to bat weights.
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Re: Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2015, 10:17:58 PM »

I love a grumpy rant. Man after my own heart @Vitas Cricket

I would be very interested in opinions on how a bow can make a difference. I struggle to understand the science behind that but i think i agree from picking up different bats.
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