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[Buzz]

Pick up can be and should be objective and definitive, so once you have your MOI number you can repeatably order the same "feel" of bat time and time again. It is not quite as simple as that but we have been working on this for the past 6 months, with the aim to provide this as a service.

This seems a brilliant idea
1. caveat though - human's are fickle beasts and I can see people imagining a difference that might not be there...!

[Vitas Cricket]

I don't see any contradiction at all. I'm very much for buying on pickup, we don't write the weights on the bats, i know what they are generally by where they are stored. If someone wants to weigh it, they can.

I cannot be clearer than this. All I am saying is that a statement declaring a bat to feel lighter or heavier than expected compared to the scale weight is fine. To put a weight on this subjective feeling is ridiculous.

[northernboy1987]

You are right however that pick up is currently subject and very much a personal thing. But it doesnt have to be like that - pick up can be and should be objective and definitive, so once you have your MOI number you can repeatably order the same "feel" of bat time and time again. It is not quite as simple as that but we have been working on this for the past 6 months, with the aim to provide this as a service.

Now that could be interesting! Not to me you understand as I'm a caveman, but to someone who actually knows what they're doing with bat in hand!

SEE BALL HIT BALL!!!!!!!

[The Doctor]

To put a weight on this subjective feeling is ridiculous.

I am sorry - you are catergorically wrong. This can be, and is being measured.

[tom line]

I am sorry - you are catergorically wrong. This can be, and is being measured.

But surely someone who is used to very low middle bats at 2.10 and has used them all his or her life picks up a 2.10 bat it with a mid middle, they will say it pick up light, but when you then get another person who has also used 2.10 bats all their life but with a very high middle, they will say that, that same bat that the first person said picks up well, picks up badly. So although you could measure the change of the COG compared to where it would be without the measures taken to alter it, as it is a purely subjective thing people will still disagree

[northernboy1987]

But surely someone who is used to very low middle bats at 2.10 and has used them all his or her life picks up a 2.10 bat it with a mid middle, they will say it pick up light, but when you then get another person who has also used 2.10 bats all their life but with a very high middle, they will say that, that same bat that the first person said picks up well, picks up badly. So although you could measure the change of the COG compared to where it would be without the measures taken to alter it, as it is a purely subjective thing people will still disagree

This wouldn't matter once you could put a number on the pick up though would it. If the high middled 2.10 picked up at xPV (Pickup Value) and the mid middled 2.10 was yPV and the low middled 2.10 was zPV it should be possible to assign a value to every connotation of bat. Not that I'm an expert by any means, just my take on it. I could be way off the mark haha!

[The Doctor]

But surely someone who is used to very low middle bats at 2.10 and has used them all his or her life picks up a 2.10 bat it with a mid middle, they will say it pick up light, but when you then get another person who has also used 2.10 bats all their life but with a very high middle, they will say that, that same bat that the first person said picks up well, picks up badly. So although you could measure the change of the COG compared to where it would be without the measures taken to alter it, as it is a purely subjective thing people will still disagree

Take the personal aspect out of the equation - one bat will have a given MOI measurement which can be directly compared to another taking out this subjective / personal judgement. It wont be "this has a good pick up", instead I prefer MOI number of XYZ.

[Blank Bats]

But surely someone who is used to very low middle bats at 2.10 and has used them all his or her life picks up a 2.10 bat it with a mid middle, they will say it pick up light, but when you then get another person who has also used 2.10 bats all their life but with a very high middle, they will say that, that same bat that the first person said picks up well, picks up badly. So although you could measure the change of the COG compared to where it would be without the measures taken to alter it, as it is a purely subjective thing people will still disagree

if it was me, i would bear in mind who is saying it, if its someone who has had a few bats (limited number / limited experience) or whether its someone who has had literally thousands pass through their hands. 

[northernboy1987]

Take the personal aspect out of the equation - one bat will have a given MOI measurement which can be directly compared to another taking out this subjective / personal judgement. It wont be "this has a good pick up", instead I prefer MOI number of XYZ.

Exactly what I was trying to say, but worded better haha

[Vitas Cricket]

I am sorry - you are catergorically wrong. This can be, and is being measured.

MOI is not weight unless I've missed something.

[The Doctor]

MOI is not weight unless I've missed something.

You are correct but MOI will increase with an increase in weight.

MOI is the technical term for pick up / feel / balance

[Woodyspin]

I would love to see a different "scale" of bats if im honest, the whole MOI sounds alot more reliable and explains alot more about a bat than what dead weight does.

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[Chad]

I'm sure Tim ran something similar, where you weighed both the toe end and the handle end of a bat and noted them down. The weight at the toe indicated how heavy the bat would 'feel', and weight at the top is obviously the counterbalancing weight. Not sure where the thread is, but it gave a pretty decent indication of how a 'pick up quantifying system' could work!

[InternalTraining]

Is there an easy way to measure the weight (MOI?) of the bat if COG is located in different places? Tie/hang the handle (pivot point) to a fixed rope from ceiling and a hanging spring scale moved up and down differenct parts of the blade?

[tim2000s]

@Chad is right - we came up with the proposal a couple of years ago. It basically helps you understand the distribution of weight along the length of the bat, giving rise to an idea of how it will pick up. The topic can be found here: http://184.154.5.91/cbforum/index.php?topic=29018.msg457055#msg457055