Topic: England Vs India (Read 118837 times)

smilley792 · « **Reply #450 on:** July 22, 2014, 04:13:43 PM »

If broads injured and needs a break, could be Jordan for broad, and buttler for prior, rest as is.

Shortpitch · « **Reply #451 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:10:23 PM »

i just found some numbers on Cricinfo as how many tests all the countries are playing since 2011 to current (3 years) . List as follows

1. Aus - 37
2. Eng - 37
3.NZ - 30
4. SRI - 29
5. Ind -28
6. SA - 27
7.WI - 25
8.PAK -22
9.BD - 15
10.Zim -10

I do see that the top 4 (infact top 6) countries have played almost same number of tests(not exact in number). How come only England Players suffer from burnouts? Also no disrespect to trott or thresco (Do understand they had serious illness), I think the ECB and the players should get their priorities straight. Also I guess ECB has the highest backstaff out of all other countries but couldn't they help the players with their issues?

Gerry SA · « **Reply #452 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:18:34 PM »

If the pitch has any live grass on it Chris Woakes would be worth a punt.

He actually pitches the ball up and could do a similar job to Bhuvneshwar Kumar.

I'd be axing Stuart Broad as he looks unfit.

Whilst Stokes can't buy a run, his bowling has been pretty decent. And he's a cracking fielder. Stokes is just a better cricketer than Chris Jordan in all three facets.

I'd give the new ball to Woakes as well.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #453 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:20:26 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on July 22, 2014, 01:42:19 PM

I am not interested in yes men.

Tell the ECB that, they've decided to go with yes men

uknsaunders · « **Reply #454 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:21:35 PM »

Quote from: Shortpitch on July 22, 2014, 05:10:23 PM

i just found some numbers on Cricinfo as how many tests all the countries are playing since 2011 to current (3 years) . List as follows

1. Aus - 37
2. Eng - 37
3.NZ - 30
4. SRI - 29
5. Ind -28
6. SA - 27
7.WI - 25
8.PAK -22
9.BD - 15
10.Zim -10

I do see that the top 4 (infact top 6) countries have played almost same number of tests(not exact in number). How come only England Players suffer from burnouts? Also no disrespect to trott or thresco (Do understand they had serious illness), I think the ECB and the players should get their priorities straight. Also I guess ECB has the highest backstaff out of all other countries but couldn't they help the players with their issues?

How did you work that out - Eng/Aus have played nearly 25% more tests?

Ryan Harris is having his knee repaired (again), Pattinson has another stress fracture. We aren't alone in having problems.

ODI's/T20's wouldn't help. Plus England are the only Northern Hemisphere team (or play tests during the summer). It means all year round cricket. Most other countries get significant breaks in their calendars. It's as much the constant grind which causes niggles and mentally wears you down. Bell/Cook/Prior/Anderson/Broad are probably shot to pieces after 15 months of Ashes cricket followed by home tests.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #455 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:30:26 PM »

If you want a reason, just look no further than the ECB. They screwed the schedule to fit back to back Ashes series in. Sacked a perfectly good coach who lost 2 series in about 4 years. Sacked our best batsman. Pretty much put Swann (injury)/Trott/Prior into retirement. Appointed a coach who only claim to fame is to beat NZ when they were rubbish, he lost to everyone else and forced 3 England captains to quit. Don't pick our only test quality spinner.

And you wonder why we don't win any games now.

Shortpitch · « **Reply #456 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:33:18 PM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on July 22, 2014, 05:21:35 PM

How did you work that out - Eng/Aus have played nearly 25% more tests?

Ryan Harris is having his knee repaired (again), Pattinson has another stress fracture. We aren't alone in having problems.

ODI's/T20's wouldn't help. Plus England are the only Northern Hemisphere team (or play tests during the summer). It means all year round cricket. Most other countries get significant breaks in their calendars. It's as much the constant grind which causes niggles and mentally wears you down. Bell/Cook/Prior/Anderson/Broad are probably shot to pieces after 15 months of Ashes cricket followed by home tests.

I would Have totally Agreed with you UKN if the 25% more tests played by Eng and Aus in an Year, but the number I had above were for the span of 3 years. physical wear down agreed, it happens with all the countries, mental wear outs is the one I am more concerned about. again as I said the players as well as the respective boards should get the priorities in Order.

Even the subcontinent teams play about same amount of cricket not especially test but if you include all forms of cricket, Mostly all the top 6 countries play roughly about same amount of cricket (+/- 5 %). I only hear Mental wear outs/personal priorities only from Aus/ENG and Nz cricketers. again not any kind of disrespect just trying to observe a pattern here.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #457 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:40:17 PM »

Quote from: Shortpitch on July 22, 2014, 05:33:18 PM

I would Have totally Agreed with you UKN if the 25% more tests played by Eng and Aus in an Year, but the number I had above were for the span of 3 years. physical wear down agreed, it happens with all the countries, mental wear outs is the one I am more concerned about. again as I said the players as well as the respective boards should get the priorities in Order.

Even the subcontinent teams play about same amount of cricket not especially test but if you include all forms of cricket, Mostly all the top 6 countries play roughly about same amount of cricket (+/- 5 %). I only hear Mental wear outs/personal priorities only from Aus/ENG and Nz cricketers. again not any kind of disrespect just trying to observe a pattern here.

I see where you are coming from but even per year it's 12.3 v 10 compared to the 3rd highest team (NZ) - still 23% more? You might only say it's 10-12 extra days but if it's 2 test series then including warm up games, team training and breaks between tests, it's probably more like 30 days on the road including travelling. 12.3 tests is probably near 4-5 months of solid cricket. If you are the Windies then it's almost 1.5-2 months less a year you are playing international cricket. That's before odi/t20.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #458 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:45:06 PM »

The game will never recover. It's run by accountants and businessmen. Cricket as a game is way behind ��, personal wealth, personal glory and jobs for the boys.

Sad but true. Just look how football as a sport is dying in the amateur areana since the money come into the game, let alone how badly international football in general is getting.

Shortpitch · « **Reply #459 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:52:03 PM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on July 22, 2014, 05:40:17 PM

I see where you are coming from but even per year it's 12.3 v 10 compared to the 3rd highest team (NZ) - still 23% more? You might only say it's 10-12 extra days but if it's 2 test series then including warm up games, team training and breaks between tests, it's probably more like 30 days on the road including travelling. 12.3 tests is probably near 4-5 months of solid cricket. If you are the Windies then it's almost 1.5-2 months less a year you are playing international cricket. That's before odi/t20.

Yes, you are true, but is that what they sign up for when they take up Cricket as profession now a days?

Also observe that nobody complains about Mental & physical wear outs when they start Int career , but once they are like 50 Test pro, all the niggles come out.

tim2000s · « **Reply #460 on:** July 22, 2014, 06:03:38 PM »

Quote from: Shortpitch on July 22, 2014, 05:52:03 PM

Also observe that nobody complains about Mental & physical wear outs when they start Int career , but once they are like 50 Test pro, all the niggles come out.

At the point at which their body has started to give up and they've been playing constantly for four years?

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ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #461 on:** July 22, 2014, 06:09:11 PM »

I do think they play too much cricket. However, they need to play less ODI and t20 stuff and use the time between test series to rest etc. Rather than jet off to IPL type stuff.

Also, they are very very very well paid for what they do, so my sympathy isn't that great. I suspect many would do it if they could even with the risk of injuries etc.

The ECB need to ensure the 'machine' is geared well, working together towards a common goal. Currently with making venues compete for matches etc it's working against everything but the money men.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #462 on:** July 22, 2014, 06:39:57 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on July 22, 2014, 09:13:26 AM

Play for Lancashire, Middlesex or Slurry?

'Cos not many Yorkies get picked?

potzy248 · « **Reply #463 on:** July 22, 2014, 09:29:15 PM »

NZ has the same problems with our rugby players. These days the All Blacks play pretty much year round with Super rugby, Test matches ITM cup and then end of year tours. These days the top players are taking sabbaticals (Carter, McCaw etc) for a year. And most have given up on ITM cup (Provincial rugby). If you want your best players playing test cricket then they need to have a break, simple.
As it has been mentioned on an earlier post, it seems like businessman are running the England team into the ground. I feel sorry for them, yes its their job but a person can only play and train so much before they break down physically and mentally.

Dhiraj · « **Reply #464 on:** July 22, 2014, 09:35:46 PM »

Quote from: tim2000s on July 22, 2014, 06:03:38 PM

At the point at which their body has started to give up and they've been playing constantly for four years?

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May it is time to look for a substitution rule in games especially tests...

I guess you have to start new stats all over again...

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