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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #690 on: August 01, 2014, 01:03:50 PM »

I want to see Finn recalled for Old Trafford and the oval, two of the fastest pitches in the country (the Oval pitch has been quickened up again to suit the Surrey side's pace attack...)

He was a handful in that surrey t20 last week. Would be interesting to see the Indian's play Finn, Plunkett and Broad on a bouncy deck. Thought Woakes bowled alright without much luck. Stokes bowled pretty well at Lords as well. Some decent options though hardly world class. If you wanted a genuine swing bowling replacement, who would you go for?
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #691 on: August 01, 2014, 01:42:34 PM »

cough
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not really sure

boycott said... Bresnan!

is Onions available? :o

From where I was sitting at the 2020 (right behind the bowlers arm in the pavilion) Finn was a whole lot more than just a handful.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #692 on: August 01, 2014, 01:47:09 PM »

I'd like to see Finn back in too. I'd like to see Saker removed from his post as bowling coach and moved to a consultant role, so he is on hand if Jimmy needs him. As far as I'm aware, Jimmy loves him but the others aren't fussed.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #693 on: August 01, 2014, 01:50:29 PM »

Was a time when we could wheel out half a dozen swing bowlers for the conditions. Phil Newport, Richard Ellison, Martin Bicknell to name a few. All fine swing bowlers.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #694 on: August 01, 2014, 02:36:12 PM »

2nd test cap for Darren Pattinson??  ;)
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #695 on: August 01, 2014, 02:50:53 PM »

Bhuvneshwar Kumar has damaged his ankle and unlikely to play in Manchester.

At least Pankaj's epic batting will be witnessed again! :D
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #696 on: August 01, 2014, 03:14:53 PM »

Bhuvneshwar Kumar has damaged his ankle and unlikely to play in Manchester.

At least Pankaj's epic batting will be witnessed again! :D


We can agree on that - Pankaj seems to be a fan favourite already.

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http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2014/media-releases/81273/judicial-commissioner-finds-anderson-and-jadeja-not-guilty
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #697 on: August 01, 2014, 03:37:56 PM »

Seems 'the clubman' wasn't guilty.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #698 on: August 01, 2014, 03:42:57 PM »

Saw Finn at Lords yesterday, have to say I was quite impressed - he gave Dilshan etc the hurry up and looked accurate enough on what was more or less a road.  Him and Plunkett for Jordan and one other (maybe rest Broad?) for me.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #699 on: August 01, 2014, 03:47:39 PM »

Sounds like the appropriate term may be "Much ado about (perhaps not) nothing"... As Chief Wiggum would say, "Nothing to see here, move along".
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #700 on: August 01, 2014, 03:54:04 PM »

Where's Gerry gone??

Oh Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Andersooooon!
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #701 on: August 01, 2014, 04:10:20 PM »

Where's Gerry gone??

Oh Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Andersooooon!

I think there is a story to come out about India. Aggers has tweeted about them briefing heavily on and off the record about Anderson. I suspect the whole video saga and Dhoni backing his player was a bluff to get Anderson to admit to something and off the park ,but the Aussie Judge saw right through it. As mentioned before, it was a bit extreme to give him a level 3 offence for a gentle shove and a few cross words. Level 3/4 offences are pretty much full on abuse and threats.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #702 on: August 01, 2014, 04:21:18 PM »

There is an interesting article on Cricinfo relating to the Indians trying to "clean up" the on the pitch antics, and using Anderson as the scapegoat.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #703 on: August 01, 2014, 04:23:54 PM »

Picked up on this on the telegraph site:-

On the ICC website's statement about the verdict there is a link to the Code of Conduct (a PDF).
It clearly states is section 2.3 that Level 3 offences include the following only:
1. Intimidation of an Umpire or Match Referee
2. Threat of assault on another Player, Player Support Personnel or other person
3. Where the facts of the alleged incident are not adequately or clearly covered by any of
the above offences, conduct that either: (a) is contrary to the spirit of the game; or (b)
brings the game into disrepute.
Under section 2.4 (Level 4 offences), there is the following type of offence listed:
- Physical assault of another Player, Player Support Personnel, Umpire, Match Referee or
any other person
I had come to believe that this was all about the 'shove' that Jimmy allegedly used on Jadeja - i.e. an 'assault'. But since they only filed a Level 3 complaint, it can only have been either 'threat of assault' or 'spirit of the game'.
In either case, how was video footage going to help?
But more strangely, there are clauses under Level 1 and Level 2 regarding use of language:
Level 1
2.1.4 Using language or a gesture that is obscene, offensive or insulting during an International
Match.
Level 2
2.2.8 Using language or gesture(s) that is seriously obscene, seriously offensive or of a
seriously insulting nature to another Player, Player Support Personnel, Umpire, Match
Referee or any other third person during an International Match.
If India don't like Anderson's verbals, why didn't they use either of these clauses to file a complaint, instead of using a physical altercation to lodge a 'threat' or 'spirit of the game' complaint.
Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Remember that this action was taken by Dhoni against the advice of his coach and without consulting the umpires, the match referee, or even his own tour manager. His own board even tried to dissuade him from taking this unilateral action. My guess is that he wasn't even familiar with the code of conduct when he made the charge. Otherwise, as you say, it should have been a Level 4 charge (physical assault of another player) or a Level 1 charge (offensive language) -- not a Level 3 charge. Maybe Dhoni was just fed up with Anderson's behaviour and wanted to upset him.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #704 on: August 01, 2014, 05:28:47 PM »

Not sure this is the right result. Gerry is never wrong and will no doubt be contacting the ICC and quoting some stats to show them the error of their ways.
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