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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #720 on: August 04, 2014, 01:35:24 PM »


I like Steven Finn but I don't think he's ready for recall.

He's taken a lot of wickets Middlesex but his stats aren't fantastic.

44 wickets @ 29.72. So whilst taking wickets he's still going for too many runs.

Finn has been going at 4+ an over for quite a while at International level, but is a genuine wicket taker.

It is not whether he is ready, it is whether he is the best option for the role they want him to do.

Are there any others who bowl with his pace and bounce that would be a better option?
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #721 on: August 04, 2014, 01:35:43 PM »

I didn't say Finn wasn't taking wickets.

Just going for too many runs. England's preference is to keep the opposition quiet.

Anyway I'd pick Stokes for Jordan.

I didn't say you did. I said I would rather have Finn in leaking runs and taking wickets than the likes of Bresnan holding up an end and not taking many.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #722 on: August 04, 2014, 01:48:42 PM »

Yes Finn has often gone at 4 an over, and I think it was probably leaking runs that got him dropped in the first place

but he is a wicket taker...getting thru the Indian batting is hard work unless there is a lot in the track

yes we did it last match and Ali bowled very well last innings,but we need a strike bowler
and besides,there are not many strike bowlers who dont give away runs in the search for wickets playing now. i suppose Steyn would be at the top of the tree,and a fine bowler he is too

Apart from Finn, I could'nt name another genuine quick bowler England could pick now Plunkett is injured...

Amjal Shazad? hmmmm....no. :)
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #723 on: August 04, 2014, 01:49:51 PM »

I am delighted to see Finn back selected as mentioned there is concern over drying up runs - if you have Anderson (overbowled this summer) Broad (knackered knees), Finn and Moeen as the bowlers - it guarantees that Woakes will play as he is a dot ball bowler and Cook needs to have that option.

I am not sure what is going on with Mike Selvey  (guardian cricket correspondent) at the moment - but his continued defence of the England structure is a very one sided view - not saying it is wrong - just feels odd. When you read http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/03/steven-finn-injured-liam-plunkett-england it suggests that it wasn't the Eng bowling camp who ruined him - but that is against the common view.

regardless, in my view, Finn is a class bowler with genuine pace and is a better bowler than Jordan, Plunkett and Stokes. Once again the Eng set up has damaged talented young players (Stokes and Jordan) and let's hope they recover quickly.

Of the squad - my team would be

Cook
Robson (I would still be picking Hales opening the batting, I know, I know or Vince)
Ballance
Bell
Root
Ali
Butler
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Finn (although I expect Jordan to play and not Finn)

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #724 on: August 04, 2014, 02:08:06 PM »

If Hales can keep up his form I think he has a real good chance next year if Robson keeps going like he is. Vince isn't an opener  (at least for test cricket) but he deserves a place in a limited overs squad sometime soon now he's hopefully regained his form.

In terms of the test I'd go for the team above, can see Jordan or Stokes getting another go instead though.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 02:10:47 PM by Sam »
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #725 on: August 04, 2014, 02:08:23 PM »

I am delighted to see Finn back selected as mentioned there is concern over drying up runs - if you have Anderson (overbowled this summer) Broad (knackered knees), Finn and Moeen as the bowlers - it guarantees that Woakes will play as he is a dot ball bowler and Cook needs to have that option.

I am not sure what is going on with Mike Selvey  (guardian cricket correspondent) at the moment - but his continued defence of the England structure is a very one sided view - not saying it is wrong - just feels odd. When you read http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/03/steven-finn-injured-liam-plunkett-england it suggests that it wasn't the Eng bowling camp who ruined him - but that is against the common view.

regardless, in my view, Finn is a class bowler with genuine pace and is a better bowler than Jordan, Plunkett and Stokes. Once again the Eng set up has damaged talented young players (Stokes and Jordan) and let's hope they recover quickly.

Of the squad - my team would be

Cook
Robson (I would still be picking Hales opening the batting, I know, I know or Vince)
Ballance
Bell
Root
Ali
Butler
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Finn (although I expect Jordan to play and not Finn)


Not sure how you could put the Watford Wall below the Burnley Lara in the batting order!

If Old Trafford is hard and quick then Finn over Jordan. Not even sure why Jordan would be considered after the last test.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #726 on: August 04, 2014, 03:14:48 PM »

If Old Trafford is hard and quick then Finn over Jordan. Not even sure why Jordan would be considered after the last test.

Bob Willis did a pretty good review of Jordan's bowling on the verdict, seems how he holds the ball and his wrist is all wrong. Something you can get away with in a one dayer but not a test. He needs to go back to county cricket and work on these before he is ready for test cricket.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #727 on: August 04, 2014, 03:21:54 PM »

Bob Willis did a pretty good review of Jordan's bowling on the verdict, seems how he holds the ball and his wrist is all wrong. Something you can get away with in a one dayer but not a test. He needs to go back to county cricket and work on these before he is ready for test cricket.

How has he made it to test level then?!
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #728 on: August 04, 2014, 03:24:45 PM »

From what I've seen of Finny in the last few weeks he is bowling to the same sort of level as he was when he was running in at 90 in the India ODIs a couple of years back.

He is never going to be a dot ball bowler but Woakes will fill the old Bresnan role and Finn will take the slot Plunkett had been rested for in place of Jordan, who needs overs in the Championship.  I do think his stats are a bit deceptive - when I've seen him he has conceded runs, but rarely from awful bowling - examples:

At Scarborough, we conceded five fours in a spell at Lyth and Lees - but two were bouncers gloved down the leg side, one a drive skewed through third slip and another a dangerous bouncer than Peanut played beautifully.

At Lords in the RLC vs Surrey Dilshan took him for a few - but most were over the keepers head or off edges.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #729 on: August 05, 2014, 12:16:45 PM »

I thought the ruling was fair given the lack of evidence, and no unbiased witnesses.

However the BCCI has cleverly worded that they would like the ICC to appeal the decision (given they are not aloud to appeal it themselves).

Personally think they're trying mind games to unsettle Anderson, or are they pushing their weight around to try get him banned?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/current/story/767091.html

This whole thing has been ridiculous and pushed out of proportion. Some words out of order were said by Jimmy, he pushed Jadeja but not enough for him to fall over (only did it come out in the trial that Jadeja had to take a step to balance himself, not put in his original testimony which looked bad on BCCI Lawyers).

Was Jadeja hurt? No. Could he play the next test? Yes, he did.

Take Jimmy Cook and Moores, Jadeja Dhoni and FLower into a room, tell them it ends here, shake hands pretend to make up and then go back to talking with your cricket!

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #730 on: August 05, 2014, 01:07:03 PM »

This Anderson vs Jadeja thing is getting ridiculous now...

If they can't agree with the decision.

Strap the gloves on and having a boxing match...the loser gets banned...

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #731 on: August 05, 2014, 01:08:49 PM »

On Cricket Writers all of the members said how they think it's the Indian team trying to pursue a vendetta after Anderson has been sledging the players
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #732 on: August 05, 2014, 01:18:23 PM »

no - it isn't about Anderson at all.

It is about ensuring the Aussies can't abuse the Indian team like they did the Eng team last winter.

My view is that if you start winning the abuse tends to stop... In the winter we weren't even close to good enough, so the abuse continued. Compare that to when we were winning in the previous three ashes series...
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #733 on: August 05, 2014, 01:29:11 PM »

The Indians definitely don't like it though! So I think they better get ready for OZ
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #734 on: August 05, 2014, 01:33:59 PM »

This Anderson vs Jadeja thing is getting ridiculous now...

If they can't agree with the decision.

Strap the gloves on and having a boxing match...the loser gets banned...
To quote GoT..... "Trial by combat.... Let the Gods decide!"
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