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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1020 on: September 02, 2014, 02:00:51 PM »

Oh dear! I wonder if Cook transforms into - Ineptimus Prime?
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1021 on: September 02, 2014, 02:10:10 PM »

Dear Mr Collingwood,

Would you mind popping in to HQ this week, we seem to have gotten our selves into a pickle with our ODI team.

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« Reply #1022 on: September 02, 2014, 02:10:33 PM »

continuing your robot theme, I am thinking more Short Circuit. 

The over reliance on technology, ipads, etc.  Am not human, but am a life-form, have soul... Johnny Five compute!
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1023 on: September 02, 2014, 02:59:24 PM »

This is all rather depressing
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1024 on: September 02, 2014, 03:02:44 PM »

we are getting a right thrashing here :(
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1025 on: September 02, 2014, 03:27:19 PM »

What happens to England when it comes to one day matches?  It's like watching India in test series....depressing!
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1026 on: September 02, 2014, 04:02:39 PM »

Cooks post match interview sounds ominous, sounds like no change, ploughing on no matter what. :(

And..... 'outskilled', 'upskill' what the hell....the analysts are taking over! >:(
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1027 on: September 02, 2014, 04:16:18 PM »

credit India they are superb one day side. Not very good at test cricket but one-day stuff is top draw

we have never been very good at one day cricket, it needs a compelete change of mind-set

when were we(england) successful?  i'm going to go back to 1987..that's 50 over cricket not 20 over cricket.

if someone corrects me i'll be pleasantly surprised...
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1028 on: September 02, 2014, 04:20:29 PM »

How loud does it have to get before Cook puts the needs of the team before his stubbornness. I have never rated him as a batsman but his record speaks for itself, clearly he can bat. The reason I don't rate him as a batsman is that he is simply dull. Another view would be that Cook is selfish, Cook bats for himself and his own glories. This dullness translates into his captaincy.
I am 100% sure that bringing in Jos Buttler for the tests was not Cook's decision, and keeping an unfit and out of form Matt Prior was Cook's decision. That is the sort of leadership I see from him, conservative. I would accept over 5 days it can work but it requires the team to outplay the opposition for the majority of the game. A strong leader which Cook is not can inspire a team to seize the initiative in key moments and win a game even if you are not outplaying the opposition.
In limited overs you simply have to seize the initiative in key moments and how often does this happen in the current England team? Limited overs cricket is for flair players be it with the bat, ball or in the field. Even if England lose with a team such as: Roy, Hales, Pietersen, Morgan, Root, Ali, Buttler in the top seven at least the spectators will be entertained! Before a ball is bowled against England the opposition know that they can restrict England to under a run a ball without any effort.
Simply put bring in the mavericks to entertain people at least in all of the limited overs cricket. After all every sport needs to be entertaining to succeed.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1029 on: September 02, 2014, 05:46:53 PM »

Its an example of his strength also being his weakness. His single mindedness that enables him to score big runs in test cricket is harming the team in ODI cricket. What is obvious to all but cook is that ODI cricket has evolved and is clearly not suited to his ability. The selectors need to grow some and tell him that.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1030 on: September 02, 2014, 07:46:18 PM »

Can't really see how Alastair Cook can remain England ODI captain or an ODI player.

It's been 38 innings since his last ODI century.

In these last 38 matches, Cook has scored 1146 runs @ 31.83. His S/R is a lowly 72.48.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1031 on: September 02, 2014, 07:50:17 PM »

Can't really see how Alastair Cook can remain England ODI captain or an ODI player.

It's been 38 innings since his last ODI century.

In these last 38 matches, Cook has scored 1146 runs @ 31.83. His S/R is a lowly 72.48.

This Gerry, is one of the only things you will find everyone agrees with you on  :D.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1032 on: September 02, 2014, 07:59:59 PM »

There is need for one solid accumulator batsman in the top 3. So Cook, Bell or Ballance.

I would take Ballance at 3 who is young and hungry. Cook is just average in this cricket and Bell doesn't seem to rack those big scores up.

Hales is a top player, and should get better with international experience.

Morgan, Buttler and Root need to find their consistency.

Ali seemed to do well today, will nicely fill the second/back up spinner role.

Just need to find a few decent quicks, a spinner and a couple of batsmen.

The England team isn't bad, just the players picked are very average and captaincy is lacking imagination.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1033 on: September 02, 2014, 08:14:02 PM »

What on Earth has happened to Steven Finn? at one time he was a 150kph bowler.

Today he was pretty much medium paced, barely crossing 140kph,

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #1034 on: September 02, 2014, 08:27:23 PM »

A big problem is that none of our test players play domestic cricket, especially T20. Cook was banging on about it being the right players, but how do we know? We've never seen Cook, Bell etc play a full season of T20. Would they dominate and drag their teams into finals day or win it for them? I doubt it! Until the ECB make the T20 competition the focal point for all we won't actually know who are the best. Could you imagine the IPL with all the India stars rested? No, and it shouldn't happen to ours either.
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