Topic: That Boult catch (Read 4487 times)

Kulli · « **on:** July 08, 2014, 10:49:34 AM »

Was it out, there's been a massive deabte at my club as the laws don't really seem that clear over it.

Nickauger · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2014, 10:53:24 AM »

Why would it not be out?

smilley792 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:01:51 AM »

Not out.

He was out of the field of play when he left the ground and landed in.
He needed to have grounded inside the boundary before leaping.

If you can take catches like bolt did. Then you can go stand in the crowd and just jump up and palm a massive six back onto the field.

BigBlueMachine · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:11:48 AM »

Out

Read no 5. Not the same example but the answer clears this up.

http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/law-changes-2013-explained/law-changes-quiz-questions/

http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/law-changes-2013-explained/law-changes-quiz-questions/law-changes-quiz-answers/

(e) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air, provided that after being struck by the bat, the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.

Any fielder subsequently touching the ball is not subject to this restriction. See Law 19.4 (Ball beyond the boundary).

(f) the ball is caught off an obstruction within the boundary that has not been designated a boundary by the umpires before the toss.

4. Fielder beyond the boundary

A catch shall not be made and a Boundary 6 shall be scored if after the ball has been struck by the bat a fielder

(i) has some part of his person touching or grounded beyond the boundary when he catches the ball, or after catching it subsequently touches the boundary or grounds some part of his person beyond the boundary while carrying the ball but before completing the catch as defined in Law 19.4.

(ii) catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air without the conditions in 3(e) above being satisfied.

smilley792 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:20:56 AM »

The rules you just quoted state it was not out.

It's in this section.

e) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air, provided that after being struck by the bat, the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.

particularly this part of that.

or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.

Boults final contact with the ground was over the boundary. Not out clear as day in the rules.

BigBlueMachine · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:24:11 AM »

I read it that his final contact before touching the ball is the one made before he throws it up into the air, which is within the boundary.

Nickauger · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:26:40 AM »

Its definitely out! The ball never goes past the boundary! It stays in field and is caught before going across the boundary? Its no different to any of these other types of catches!

skip1973 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:52:08 AM »

You never used to be able to start outside the boundary and walk in, seems to happen all the time now though. Haven't seen it but reading the description on cricinfo it seems ok.

joeljonno · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:54:48 AM »

Quote from: Nickauger on July 08, 2014, 11:26:40 AM

Its definitely out! The ball never goes past the boundary! It stays in field and is caught before going across the boundary? Its no different to any of these other types of catches!

But it IS different. All others are touch by players who have jumped from the field where Boult jumps from off the field and does not return to the field of play until after he has touched the ball again.

Nickauger · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:57:46 AM »

Ah yeah I see what you mean, but even so, they go off the field and then come back onto the field again! Tis a tricky one! Wasn't questioned at the time, and the ball didn't go over the rope which some do! Surely that means that it is a fair catch, as the ball never goes for 6.

mini998 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2014, 11:59:36 AM »

Quote from: smilley792 on July 08, 2014, 11:20:56 AM

who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary
or
whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.

Boults final contact with the ground was over the boundary. Not out clear as day in the rules.

It says 'or' so only one condition has to be true .

In this case it is out I guess

sgcricket · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2014, 12:03:36 PM »

Below is the explanation why it is out. For those who don't want to read, its all about first contact with the ball.

Law 19.4 (specially written for these boundary catches) stipulates the following
A ball may be caught, subject to the provisions of Law 32, or fielded after it has crossed the boundary, provided that
(i) the first contact with the ball is by a fielder either with some part of his person grounded within the boundary, or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was within the boundary.
(ii) neither the ball, nor any fielder in contact with the ball, touches or is grounded beyond, the boundary at any time during the act of making the catch or of fielding the ball.
The act of making the catch, or of fielding the ball, shall start from the time when the ball first comes into contact with some part of a fielder�s person and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control both over the ball and over his own movement and has no part of his person touching or grounded beyond the boundary.

Nickauger · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2014, 12:04:08 PM »

Definitely out then!

joeljonno · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2014, 12:09:27 PM »

Quote from: Nickauger on July 08, 2014, 11:57:46 AM

Ah yeah I see what you mean, but even so, they go off the field and then come back onto the field again! Tis a tricky one! Wasn't questioned at the time, and the ball didn't go over the rope which some do! Surely that means that it is a fair catch, as the ball never goes for 6.

Tis a very tricky one.

As it wasn't questioned, I presume it is correct.

However it certainly is a talking point and interesting. It seems to be a lot of rules tapes together to get the answer.

smilley792 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2014, 12:11:57 PM »

Sgs ruling seems to suggest out.

You could argue he had control, and was not juggling and then threw the ball so it became another stage. But then it gets over complicated.

So on submitted evidence my view has change to out.

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