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[ProCricketer1982]

So tonight's game against a lower div team with a lvl 3 player/coach... Coach is in and so is some other guy.. Said guy nicks off, everyone goes 'yey' and starts to celebrate (by literally just wandering in as it's only t20).. Their umpire goes 'not out'. Now, it was the most obvious of edges, heard by all 11 on he pitch. It ruined the game, the last two overs we just pied it up and allowed them the win of they are that desperate.


So, the lvl 3 paid coach was at the non strikers end.. Should he as a ECB coach not be I stilling the spirit of cricket into his team?? Or is fair play truely dead  ow? (In which case I'll cheat just like everyone else).

Have to say, it's very much killed my will to keep playing after witnessing true cheating and a supposed guardian of the game in the eyes of the ECB not stand up for the right thing.

Ps the striker didn't walk which is almost as bad but again, it's become common place.

[benny231]

To be fair, it isn't the player/coach's fault his umpire gave it not out. And I don't think its his responsibility as the non-striker and player coach to overturn his umpires decision. It's unfortunate, but thats just what happens with player umpires.
Sounds a bit gutless bowling pies to let them win though...

[ProCricketer1982]

To be fair, it isn't the player/coach's fault his umpire gave it not out. And I don't think its his responsibility as the non-striker and player coach to overturn his umpires decision. It's unfortunate, but thats just what happens with player umpires.
Sounds a bit gutless bowling pies to let them win though...

Only gutless if you are a win at all costs person who puts winning ahead of playing fairly. Once they did that the game was over as you can't beat a team if they have removed lbws, caught and stumpings from the game ! If they are that desperate to win then fair enough, let them. It's not like we'll lose a contract or they'll gain one.. Still all be paying to play next week.

But the lvl 3 should surely be responsible for I stilling the ecb's spirit of cricket no? Maybe telling the lad not to put his umpire under pressure by not walking?

Maybe not then, maybe the days of people playing fairly are truely dead and we now accept cheating In the game like football does. Might be time to reassess the way our team umpires and plays to ensure we aren't disadvantaged.

[The Palmist]

He was acting in the capacity of a batsman, not a coach at that moment in time if I read this correctly and it was not his place to overturn umpire's decision.

The blame has to lie with Umpire and no one else.

On the field, it is not a clever thing to go against your own players. And you don't know if he did have a word with his team mates outside the game.

[Seniorplayer]

As the umpire wrongly failed to give the batsman out and the  coach was the non striker his nothing to do with me or leave me out of it  approach was correct.

[123*]

Bad form if it was his own team umpiring, never had that before when I've played! Stand your ground I say, I wait all week for a bat and I ain't giving it up easily!

[Gelds]

Isn't this just a simple case of umpire error? Ridiculous to expect the non-striker to tell his mate to walk off!! As cricketers we have to respect the decision of the umpires, be it the correct decision or not. I was given out caught behind the other week and didn''t hit the ball, do you think last week when I tickled one behind I walked off? Of course not I waited for the umpire to give me out.

[ProCricketer1982]

Isn't this just a simple case of umpire error? Ridiculous to expect the non-striker to tell his mate to walk off!! As cricketers we have to respect the decision of the umpires, be it the correct decision or not. I was given out caught behind the other week and didn''t hit the ball, do you think last week when I tickled one behind I walked off? Of course not I waited for the umpire to give me out.

As I say, spirit of cricket is dead, all about the win.

[Spanky]

Personally I have be brought up to walk. But it appears its not the done thing anymore.

I don't think you can really blame the coach or expect him to say/do anything at that moment in time. But I would like to think that he would have said something after the game in the changing rooms. Whether he did or not you will never know.

I don't see why you gifted them the game though! Things like this normally motivate my team to win even more. I personally play to win but I play to win fair and I have no issue losing to a better team on the day. To just gift them the win seems a tad weak, as if you didn't back yourselves to win from the start.

[skip1973]

As I say, spirit of cricket is dead, all about the win.

A couple of things,
There is no point playing any game if you're not playing to win.
You should set your own standards not have them governed by others behaviour.
Nothing beats winning against adversity, it's one of the best parts of the game.

[mini998]

Don't get why you gifted the game, normally this happens to us every week, all the time it motivates us to win the game even more.

We normally give the opposition the same treatment if they cheat when they  bat first, tit for tat , otherwise we play fair.

[AverageCricketer]

Everyone wants to win, but there are people out there who play cricket to enjoy it, even when they lose. Not everyone plays for the sake of winning a game, they enjoy it because they love cricket.

The reason why Australia wins a lot is because they have a win at all costs mentality. Lots of people get the most enjoyment from winning. As an Australian, I don't have as much of a competitive instinct as many of my teammates have. I come and play cricket because I want to win and ENJOY cricket at the same time.

That's the reason why some people walk and some don't. There of course is other issues, but that is the main one IMO.

[benny231]

Yeah I understand about the enjoyment factor, but surely you enjoy it more when you win. And you enjoy it a hell of a lot more when you know the other team have 'cheated'.
But anyway, back to the level 3 coach, he's out there as a batsman. Not his responsibility to overturn the decision. Its up to the batsman who nicked off to walk and for the player umpire to be fair. Can't ask for any more than that really.

Gutless and soft to throw your toys and gift the game when things don't go your way, be it rightly or wrongly.

[jamielsn15]

Have to agree with the majority - the coach isn't representing the ECB and isn't in charge of the game. 

As someone who plays at a level where oppo team's players are regularly Umpires, this does happen, but I wouldn't say its the norm, in my experiences.  If anything, some lbws we've appealed for have been optimistic and been given.  There are some occasions that you feel are favouritism, but as a team we've always knuckled down, bowled and fielded well and made it very difficult for decisions not to be given.  I wouldn't feel comfortable throwing a game and that would make it less enjoyable for me, even more so than having a decision go against us.

I think if you can walk off the field knowing you've given your all in the spirit of the game then your conscience is clear, as an individual and a team.  Let them square it with themselves and justify their own actions, knowing you've played the game as you wish to see it played.  That said, nothing wrong with telling the non-walker exactly what you think of him in the middle though!  I would certainly be directing my feelings of injustice at him rather than the Ump or non striker - "I bet your parents are very proud", "that's 8 lives left - can I get you a saucer of milk?" etc...

[ProCricketer1982]

Yeah I understand about the enjoyment factor, but surely you enjoy it more when you win. And you enjoy it a hell of a lot more when you know the other team have 'cheated'.
But anyway, back to the level 3 coach, he's out there as a batsman. Not his responsibility to overturn the decision. Its up to the batsman who nicked off to walk and for the player umpire to be fair. Can't ask for any more than that really.

Gutless and soft to throw your toys and gift the game when things don't go your way, be it rightly or wrongly.

You need to go somewhere where it take 'guts'. A cricket field takes no guts about it. It's amateur sport, nothing more, nothing less. Taking about gutless is just stupid as people have done things that the cheats can only wish they could dare do. It's gutless to cheat or allow teammates to cheat.