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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2014, 07:34:36 AM »

I wonder what tests are actually undertaken on helmets.  I'm sure that all manufacturers will be testing according to the new standards, but all potential angles and spin profiles are extremely unlikely to be tested.

It certainly isn't a naive statement to suggest that this particular type of incident wasn't tested.

Now if you look at the videos of tests that have been published, what happens when the ball hits flush is a different set of dynamics.

As has been said, it will be interesting to see the feedback from Ayrtek when all is done and dusted.

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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2014, 07:56:46 AM »

A ball can't pick up pace after hitting something.

absolutely it can!!

have you ever hit a cricket ball?!

lots of people happy to criticise here.

I say again with another lid it may have been much worse.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2014, 08:05:47 AM »

absolutely it can!!

have you ever hit a cricket ball?!

lots of people happy to criticise here.

I say again with another lid it may have been much worse.

Couldn't agree more. Pic on twitter doesn't look too bad at all after being hit at 80plus
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2014, 08:08:54 AM »

The helmet did it's job, he walked away. A broken nose is nowt.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2014, 08:10:08 AM »

Well kiewswetter was in hospital with old top of range and broad walked away wearing mid range so but of a plus there
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2014, 08:12:19 AM »

absolutely it can!!

have you ever hit a cricket ball?!

lots of people happy to criticise here.

I say again with another lid it may have been much worse.

Exactly, also after top edging the angles are all wrong as to where the balls coming from. The 'ramp' effect of the helmet was negated by the new angle off the edge. If it was albion or masuri would this bandwagon still be rolling.

Think the main point is safest and completely safe are two different things.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2014, 08:22:25 AM »

let's think about this more...

with an old style Masuri, it is reasonable to say he would have a fractured eye socket and his career may be over.

with a double bar vision series lid, the ball would have caused the visor to pop off, but who knows where the ball may have gone, with nothing to take the pace off, it may have had a similar result to the old model.

with a plastic Albion the visor/peak would have been destroyed again with a who knows what result.

with a traditional Albion the grille would probably have crushed into his face, like Ponting at lords, but much worse, maybe fractured cheek.

it is too easy to get the hatchet out here.

broad only has a broken nose from a ball which would have been going faster than 100 mph, the adrenaline would have been pumping after the last two balls had gone for 6 massively.

ironically if Steyn or Johnson were bowling I suspect broad would have missed it and we would have watched the ball deflect off the lid for 4 byes...
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2014, 08:25:41 AM »

If Johnson was bowling, broad would have been at square leg!
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2014, 08:33:21 AM »

To me it looks like the helmet did its job.

What broke his nose? The ball? The grill? Or the combined force of the impact imploding on his nose?

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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2014, 08:36:58 AM »

It was the ball I think. Yeah the helmet did as good as it could in that situation, other helmets may have done slightly better but I wouldnt think theres much in it.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2014, 08:38:01 AM »

Unfortunately however safe the helmet is ,the public still see the ball hitting the player and blame the product , it was just a 1 in a Million  chance of it getting through but did . Similar to bats snapping in half most are through storm damage not the makers fault ,but human nature being what it is blames the maker of the product not that the willow has a natural fault . Heard it so many times ' don't buy one of those bats they snap etc ' 1 bad moment can undo a lifetime of work .
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2014, 08:42:44 AM »

And if you look at twitter,  that's the reaction you see Matt.  Jimmy asking if he'll change the helmet,  others saying "safest helmet? Really?"  and "Aditek needs a redesign". Not a lot you can do when it happens.

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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2014, 08:45:13 AM »

The world's "supposedly" safest helmet didnt do its job. Fault in the product and exposed.Period!!
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2014, 08:49:20 AM »

Well kiewswetter was in hospital with old top of range and broad walked away wearing mid range so but of a plus there
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #74 on: August 10, 2014, 08:55:47 AM »

The world's "supposedly" safest helmet didnt do its job. Fault in the product and exposed.Period!!
And therein lies the rub.  If the result of using the "world's safest helmet" was a broken nose,  what would the result have been with a "less safe helmet"?

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