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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #105 on: August 10, 2014, 04:49:38 PM »

Er, WHAT? Are you serious?! The speed of the delivery was 86mph, which is measured just as the ball leaves the hand. The ball loses 10-15mph by the time it reaches the batsman and would have slowed down further after hitting the bat. At most it hit the helmet at 75mph. Where on earth do you get 100mph from? It is basic physics that the ball will only ever lose speed, not pick up speed once it has left the bowler's hand.

Does it not increase in speed when hit??
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #106 on: August 10, 2014, 04:51:06 PM »

Does it not increase in speed when hit??

On a full face, smash over cow, perhaps.
On a feint top edge is say no.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #107 on: August 10, 2014, 04:53:03 PM »

On a full face, smash over cow, perhaps.
On a feint top edge is say no.

So how do top edges fly for 6 yet byes dribble to the boundary??
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #108 on: August 10, 2014, 04:54:18 PM »

I think the problem is the impact will force the helmet backwards and into your face if its to close.

I can speak from first hand experience of that. Fielding at short leg with a borrowed lid I got one on the grill which bent and cut/dug into my chin. Had to pull it out. Ouch!

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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #109 on: August 10, 2014, 04:57:28 PM »

So how do top edges fly for 6 yet byes dribble to the boundary??
Elevation, upward thrust, gravity.
Think of the Trescothick shot- upper cut type shot that he plays so well, he helps it on it's way.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #110 on: August 10, 2014, 05:03:52 PM »


Elevation, upward thrust, gravity.
Think of the Trescothick shot- upper cut type shot that he plays so well, he helps it on it's way.

Stand at first slip for two same paced deliveries.  One to a defensive shot and one to a drive. The attacking shot goes faster and further.

Nowt to do with an upper cut type shot off the face of the bat. Genuine edges.

A ball can pick up pace off the edge of a bat.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #111 on: August 10, 2014, 06:24:08 PM »

Er, WHAT? Are you serious?! The speed of the delivery was 86mph, which is measured just as the ball leaves the hand. The ball loses 10-15mph by the time it reaches the batsman and would have slowed down further after hitting the bat. At most it hit the helmet at 75mph. Where on earth do you get 100mph from? It is basic physics that the ball will only ever lose speed, not pick up speed once it has left the bowler's hand.

Tripe.

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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #112 on: August 10, 2014, 06:36:18 PM »

Er, WHAT? Are you serious?! The speed of the delivery was 86mph, which is measured just as the ball leaves the hand. The ball loses 10-15mph by the time it reaches the batsman and would have slowed down further after hitting the bat. At most it hit the helmet at 75mph. Where on earth do you get 100mph from? It is basic physics that the ball will only ever lose speed, not pick up speed once it has left the bowler's hand.

WHAT, are you stupid?   The speed of the delivery was x-y (with y being the effective drag of the pitch) before Broad hit it - but afterward it will have been (x-y)+z with z being the force of the strike.   

Need an idea of the force involved?   When has a bowler ever conceded six byes?  what happens when a batsmen gets a big top edge?
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #113 on: August 10, 2014, 06:51:30 PM »

And they dare to call us nerds! :)
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #114 on: August 10, 2014, 07:11:04 PM »

When has a bowler ever conceded six byes?

Never its in the rules this can't happen by boundary (just being picky)
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #115 on: August 10, 2014, 08:54:08 PM »

Never its in the rules this can't happen by boundary (just being picky)
Rules or Laws? Just being picky.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #116 on: August 10, 2014, 09:51:15 PM »

As for speed increasing after the ball is hit, it's simply the additon of the 2 vectors.  A thin top edge won't add much speed, is say.

The force needs to be considered as a vector really
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #117 on: August 11, 2014, 01:40:42 AM »

The other variable that may not have been tested in the "laboratory" is the angle of entry. Perhaps the results are different if the angle is what Broad experienced. As an Airtek user myself, I hope they are able to provide some answers fairly quickly.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #118 on: August 11, 2014, 03:26:11 AM »

add air density and humidity factors which can make upwards of 15% difference

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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #119 on: August 11, 2014, 03:47:34 AM »

and when considering the distance the ball travels when it hits the bat you have to take into account the coefficient of restitution or elasticity of the ball
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