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[InternalTraining]

I think that blaming "top edge" as the culprit in Broad incident is a red herring. Market messaging around Ayrtek made it sound like it was impenetrable.

As a buyer, should I keep in mind the following caveats :

1. It will only work for speeds less than X kph/mph?
2. In case of a deflection or bat edge, the speed will become X+Y kph/mph hence unstoppable?

Basically whether it is Masuri or  Ayrtek, you are minimizing injury and not all together eliminating it.

[InternalTraining]

That is my concern - these helmets don't eliminate the risk.

Those ice-hockey goalie helmets/face masks look pretty good .

All the quotes I've seen state that the design would "reduce the likelihood of the ball passing between the grill and visor". I don't think I've seen "eliminate" used.

[uknsaunders]

How many helmets have actually passed the BSI tests? I find the fact Tom has put a figure the on the plastic lids durability reassuring and I wonder if other manufacturers would do similar?

[iand123]

I think that blaming "top edge" as the culprit in Broad incident is a red herring. Market messaging around Ayrtek made it sound like it was impenetrable.

As a buyer, should I keep in mind the following caveats :

1. It will only work for speeds less than X kph/mph?
2. In case of a deflection or bat edge, the speed will become X+Y kph/mph hence unstoppable?

Basically whether it is Masuri or  Ayrtek, you are minimizing injury and not all together eliminating it.

To be fair Ayrtek have never said their lids are impregnable. Just as your last point says it would be like a car manufacturer selling you a car that you couldn't be hurt or killed in a car crash, thats impossible. Risk can be minimised but not eradicated in walks of life.

[InternalTraining]

This is the world we live in where marketing "speak" does not exactly state anything definitively. Everything is implied.

For nonprofessional cricketers, those who have to pay for their injuries from their own pocket, The helmet manufacturers should disclose more information about the tolerance levels all these helmets.

To be fair Ayrtek have never said their lids are impregnable. Just as your last point says it would be like a car manufacturer selling you a car that you couldn't be hurt or killed in a car crash, thats impossible. Risk can be minimised but not eradicated in walks of life.

[InternalTraining]

http://www.goaliemonkey.com/bauer-goalie-mask-nme3-certified.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkDm2T3Utks8mAcbbIWLKUlNDBFabp-g1dxdEDF1x44BoCITbw_wcB

This design looks pretty good .

[Johnny]

Having played as a baseball catcher, I know those style lids wouldn't work. Visibility and manoeverabilty is terrible

[tim2000s]

This is the world we live in where marketing "speak" does not exactly state anything definitively. Everything is implied.

For nonprofessional cricketers, those who have to pay for their injuries from their own pocket, The helmet manufacturers should disclose more information about the tolerance levels all these helmets.

I don't know about you, but I think Ayrtek have always been pretty open about what they have tested to? An impact at 30 degrees to the grill and peak from 0.6m at 75mph is pretty specific.

What else do you want?

[trypewriter]

Going back to the 'would carbon fibre be better' question, I think that in respect of cracking etc. the carbon fibre has little to do with that, a lot of it is down to the resin that impregnates it. Before anyone mentions it, kevlar is heavier than carbon fibre.

[The Palmist]

You have pointed out that Broads injuries were less severe than Kieswetters. Kieswetter had the gap far too wide, so the helmet would have barely done anything to stop the ball. That comparison is therefore irrelevant to us as he may as well have not been wearing a lid.

Pictures do suggest what you are saying. Just surprised why no one else picked up on the gap difference.
I will probably be shot down for saying this but I think all helmets in a particular price range provide roughly the same level of protection. One should decide purely on looks and comfort.

[Buzz]

just to confirm no helmet has passed the new test yet as the bsi people haven't built their facility yet.

we also know the test will only go up to 67 odd mph and anything above that is a guess by the manufacturer.

the current test machines only go to 75 mph.

this is because they are fired from an air cannon as these are the most accuracte for the testing.

you can't use a bola as they aren't accurate enough.

until we see how one of the other helmets take a similar hit, at more than 80 mph we are just guessing.
fact is broad was wearing a club helmet in a test match, which in my view performed extremely well, given the forces at stake.

how many of you have had a broken nose? it usually doesn't take much...

[Fearless Fly]

just to confirm no helmet has passed the new test yet as the bsi people haven't built their facility yet.

we also know the test will only go up to 67 odd mph and anything above that is a guess by the manufacturer.

the current test machines only go to 75 mph.

this is because they are fired from an air cannon as these are the most accuracte for the testing.

you can't use a bola as they aren't accurate enough.

until we see how one of the other helmets take a similar hit, at more than 80 mph we are just guessing.
fact is broad was wearing a club helmet in a test match, which in my view performed extremely well, given the forces at stake.

how many of you have had a broken nose? it usually doesn't take much...

I think that is besides the point Buzz.
From the average punter, why would someone go and purchase an Ayrtek/Aditek whatever you want to call it for quite a large some of money when i could purchase said masuri or Albion lid which could result in the same outcome,
I think the real question has to be answered in why Broad is using a helmet designed for club land in a Test match. Thats like turning up to a game of tennis with a squash racquet
I would also like to add, looking at the incidents with masuri lids over the post years (kieswetter and McCullum) You can see from Kieswetter injury that his grill is lower than what is recommended as the ball got through without even touching the visor or grill, same for McCullum. I met MCullum last time NZ were in Aus and asked him why he had such a low grill and it was purely a preference thing for vision. Therefore in these instances i don think you can say Masuri are at fault as it is player preference there. The issue i have with the broad incident is that he was wearing a lid designed for club land which obviously led to a malfunction as it was pushed beyond what it was designed for.


I do want to ask AYrtek as well, in the previous testing, what were the deemed scenarios the helmets were tested under as if i was designing a helmet, i would assume that one of the common incidents that could result in ball and helmet and ball coming into contact would be a top edge. I have seen it already in my AUS season and we have just finished week 2. lucky the top edge got high on the lid and it the badge of the helmet rather than the gap in the peak.

[tim2000s]

One of the tests that Ayrtek refers to is firing the ball at the gap between peak and grill at an angle of thirty degrees.

I'm guessing this is supposed to mimic the top edge, however there are limitations as to how it can be tested. The air cannons used can't get higher than 75mph and introducing the random spin element is also extremely difficult.

[iand123]

This is the world we live in where marketing "speak" does not exactly state anything definitively. Everything is implied.

For nonprofessional cricketers, those who have to pay for their injuries from their own pocket, The helmet manufacturers should disclose more information about the tolerance levels all these helmets.

Ayrtek have always said their lid is one of the safest on the market and pretty sure they've said this sort of thing can be "reduced" (Tom please correct me if that's incorrect). If you or anyone else has implied that to mean something different I really don't know what to say, each to their own I guess but personally I think it's hard to blame a company for people reading one thing and believing another. To me the marketing is and always has been quite clear

[Number4]

I think that is besides the point Buzz.
From the average punter, why would someone go and purchase an Ayrtek/Aditek whatever you want to call it for quite a large some of money when i could purchase said masuri or Albion lid which could result in the same outcome,
I think the real question has to be answered in why Broad is using a helmet designed for club land in a Test match. Thats like turning up to a game of tennis with a squash racquet
I would also like to add, looking at the incidents with masuri lids over the post years (kieswetter and McCullum) You can see from Kieswetter injury that his grill is lower than what is recommended as the ball got through without even touching the visor or grill, same for McCullum. I met MCullum last time NZ were in Aus and asked him why he had such a low grill and it was purely a preference thing for vision. Therefore in these instances i don think you can say Masuri are at fault as it is player preference there. The issue i have with the broad incident is that he was wearing a lid designed for club land which obviously led to a malfunction as it was pushed beyond what it was designed for.


I do want to ask AYrtek as well, in the previous testing, what were the deemed scenarios the helmets were tested under as if i was designing a helmet, i would assume that one of the common incidents that could result in ball and helmet and ball coming into contact would be a top edge. I have seen it already in my AUS season and we have just finished week 2. lucky the top edge got high on the lid and it the badge of the helmet rather than the gap in the peak.

To me it looks like all 3 grills were set too wide... Not just Bedwetter and Mcullum but Broads as well.... Can't have your cake and eat it too... You either have the grill set correctly and protect yourself and lose a little vision or you open the grill up and leave yourself vulnerable to a ball smashing into your face... Simple