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[thecord]

The cost of testing will only be a small fraction compared to the amount spent on marketing and testing facilities will be shared by all brands. I don't think cost plays any role here. Cricket boards should be able to contribute as well if the need be.

Cost always plays a role and the issue here would be who funds it. It's not a straightforward matter

[The Palmist]

Cost always plays a role and the issue here would be who funds it. It's not a straightforward matter

It can't be a deal breaker. Consumers/Players are already paying through their noses for the high end models.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

brands will start to use fixed grills with only 1 fixing as the BSI test states that they will set the grille position in the weakest/widest possible setting to carry out the tests.

Obviously by only having 1 setting this is ruled out, this give the end user less options in terms of finding a fit that works for them as a compromise. Its a catch 22 where we were asked by players previously to offer a grille that enabled them to set it wider than the balls width so that they have better vision. Yet by offering this you are at risk of being hit by the ball if the worst happens, some players will accept this risk whilst others will opt for a setting that may mean getting used to the grille in their eyeline but having better levels of protection as a result.

[tim2000s]

It can't be a deal breaker. Consumers/Players are already paying through their noses for the high end models.

It's not just about the cost. An incredibly complex testing rig for a sport with fewer than a million adult participants, of whom more than 95% play at a level where the less complex and demanding test is more than enough also comes into play.

[thecord]

Very awkward for a brand, you want to be seen to be working with the professionals using your product to offer them what they demand but when that leads to some like this all the consumer sees is a negative for you as the brand holder

[smilley792]

brands will start to use fixed grills with only 1 fixing as the BSI test states that they will set the grille position in the weakest/widest possible setting to carry out the tests.

Obviously by only having 1 setting this is ruled out, this give the end user less options in terms of finding a fit that works for them as a compromise. Its a catch 22 where we were asked by players previously to offer a grille that enabled them to set it wider than the balls width so that they have better vision. Yet by offering this you are at risk of being hit by the ball if the worst happens, some players will accept this risk whilst others will opt for a setting that may mean getting used to the grille in their eyeline but having better levels of protection as a result.

so does this mean that the aditek is going to fixed grill? when will this be if so? and will it be a permanent grill helmet attachment? or just a grill with 1 set off holes?

[Ayrtek Cricket]

We are in the process of submitting the range for BSI testing currently which means we have to eradicate all the other holes from the grille that allow adjustments beyond the recommended setting.

It will be a grille with the same use of nut caps to attach it so that people can change between steel and titanium grill upgrades if they wish to do so.

[petehosk]

If Kieswetter makes his visibility better by making the gap bigger between the peak of his helmet and grill, then he has himself to blame really!
Same thing with Broad if he does the same, AND also uses a model of Ayrtek/Adidas with less protection level!
The way I look at it, I have made the grill space a little bigger on my helmets to increase visibility. It's a minimal risk but I know that if a ball gets though, then I only have myself to blame for altering the grill settings. I would hate for a helmet manufacturer to fix the grill in place so that I can't alter it!

[tushar sehgal]

We are in the process of submitting the range for BSI testing currently which means we have to eradicate all the other holes from the grille that allow adjustments beyond the recommended setting.

It will be a grille with the same use of nut caps to attach it so that people can change between steel and titanium grill upgrades if they wish to do so.

Tom any consideration to a visor+grill combo? most Ice hockey player's helmets only have visors and puck is very hard / travels fast but the visor is able to handle the impact. If you had a grill that also had a visor (clear or some kind of vison enhancing/glare reduction like oakley lenses) then it might resolve the issue of gap, visibility and provide extra benefits like enhanced red for test cricket and enhanced white for odi??

[Cowcorner]

Tom any consideration to a visor+grill combo? most Ice hockey player's helmets only have visors and puck is very hard / travels fast but the visor is able to handle the impact. If you had a grill that also had a visor (clear or some kind of vison enhancing/glare reduction like oakley lenses) then it might resolve the issue of gap, visibility and provide extra benefits like enhanced red for test cricket and enhanced white for odi??

Sod it, I'm going to start playing in a NFL helmet - one of the ones with the polarised eye lenses in (I think wide receivers use them?). If I get a Miami Dolphins one I can buy a load of kookaburra impulse kit in the sales and it'll still match!

[RossViper]

It's not just about the cost. An incredibly complex testing rig for a sport with fewer than a million adult participants, of whom more than 95% play at a level where the less complex and demanding test is more than enough also comes into play.

Incredibly complex? Not really.

[InternalTraining]

The forum has gone international with our eastern, antipodean and U.S. friends. I'm not saying we've got major impact but I think we count for more than 1%.

Across the pond here and have looked into the US sports helmets as substitute .    [Note: Ice-hockey bags are a lot cheaper here and can get great used ones.  ]

[tushar sehgal]

Across the pond here and have looked into the US sports helmets as substitute .    [Note: Ice-hockey bags are a lot cheaper here and can get great used ones.  ]

Yup we use hockey bags for our team kits too. Fit a lot of gear and made really well so last a long time

[Hennie_vdw]

Hi Tom
Can you confirm to me how did that ball penetrate broads grill if your helmets are so "safe"

[roco]

as far as I'm aware Tom has explained this on the thread if you look through

I think the grille was set wide enough to let the ball through which is why manufacturers are looking at releasing new helmets where no setting can let ball through but this will decrease the gap for vision