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India's confusion against Ali
« on: August 12, 2014, 10:56:33 AM »

Is it me or are India gifting wickets to Ali? I was thinking about it and does DRS have some part to play? Watching some of the Indian batsman's techniques, some are trying to force themselves to use the bat in front of the pad and not bat/pad. Even without DRS the umpires and english batsman seem to recognise that using the bat is best. India, I'm not so sure. I think they've shoved the pads up the wicket for so long and after a couple of LBW's have tried to adapt to a DRS style of defending. Problem is it took England a long time after the UAE to get better. Moeen gets the benefit as the Indian batsman end up playing for spin to avoid LBW, nicking off in the process.
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Re: India's confusion against Ali
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2014, 11:15:43 AM »

It's a new paradigm with DRS. New techniques being forced through by excellent technology.

It does seem that India are stubborn and entrenched in god only knows what. The past?

They will work it out, and when they do Ali will find it a different game.
In the meantime we can sit back, crack a cold one, and revel in their intransigence.
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Re: India's confusion against Ali
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2014, 02:27:03 PM »

There's a pretty simply reason why India are donating cheap wickets to Ali.

It's their technically deficiencies.

If you look at Kohli, Rahane, Vijay, Dhawan and Pujara. They hardly very try to play Ali off tht backfoot.

They are prompted semi forward all the time. Therefore when Ali bowls a pie, they can't take advantage of it.

Just look at the way R Ashwin played Ali in Manchester. Fully forward or fully back. Never caught in on the crease.

These young Indians need to go watch videos of Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman playing spin. If you play most of the deliveries of the backfoot, there's more bounce in England than India, Ali will have to pitch it up further. That's when you can attack him on the front foot.

If they want a master class from current players, look no further than Clarke, Amla or de Villiers. Very rarely will they be caught on the crease. And they use their feet even in defence up force the bowler to change his length.

It's a legacy of too much T20/ODI cricket and a lack of FC cricket to round of their games.

But cash is king these days...
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Re: India's confusion against Ali
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2014, 02:39:47 PM »

There's a pretty simply reason why India are donating cheap wickets to Ali.

It's their technically deficiencies.

If you look at Kohli, Rahane, Vijay, Dhawan and Pujara. They hardly very try to play Ali off tht backfoot.

They are prompted semi forward all the time. Therefore when Ali bowls a pie, they can't take advantage of it.

Just look at the way R Ashwin played Ali in Manchester. Fully forward or fully back. Never caught in on the crease.

These young Indians need to go watch videos of Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman playing spin. If you play most of the deliveries of the backfoot, there's more bounce in England than India, Ali will have to pitch it up further. That's when you can attack him on the front foot.

If they want a master class from current players, look no further than Clarke, Amla or de Villiers. Very rarely will they be caught on the crease. And they use their feet even in defence up force the bowler to change his length.

It's a legacy of too much T20/ODI cricket and a lack of FC cricket to round of their games.

But cash is king these days...

Good post. See how productive you can be when you're interested in something other than slagging off a player?
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Re: India's confusion against Ali
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 04:49:42 AM »

I haven't seen a ton of him bowling but from what I did see, wasn't he getting a ton of drift ? It seems like people are underestimating him a little bit.
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Re: India's confusion against Ali
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 01:33:51 PM »

Gerry makes a very valid point - this generational shift in Indian batsmen sees the first set to come through having grown up with T20 and I think that is reflected int ehir techniques.  The most organised looking players - Binny and Ashwin - are not even batsmen but have the technical skill because they have not been forced to adapt to glorified slogging.
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