Topic: Win the toss = bowl or bat first? (Read 6781 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2015, 10:58:32 AM »

Bowl first and control the game. If it's draw cricket bowl second. Why bowl in win/lose?? Because getting people out isn't the idea, purely restrict runs. Teams batting first don't know the wicket, tend to start slower etc.. So then throw your men out on the fence to stop 4/6's (make 6'ss more risky) and suddenly teams struggle to 200 as many hitters rely on attacking fields to score.m

Then you are only chasing a low total.. Boom. Pressure is then all on the oppo after a poor batting display, hitters are grumpy in the field as they couldn't just smack boundaries and had to score 1's (which those people hate if they are honest)

skip1973 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2015, 11:21:40 AM »

Bizarre

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2015, 11:52:17 AM »

Bat first. I'm a batsman these days and there is nothing worse than standing around in the field all day and not getting a bat because we rolled the other team for 50 odd. Bat first and everyone is guaranteed a game.

eukaryote76 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2015, 12:05:05 PM »

Sunday Cricket in Brisbane ("Warehouse Cricket" - funny name but is outdoors), games start at 10am and is scorchio until about 2pm. All else being equal we tend to bat first given the choice. It's just so darn hot. Winter cricket is more strategic� mostly.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:19:12 PM »

Quote from: TangoWhiskey on April 08, 2015, 11:52:17 AM

Bat first. I'm a batsman these days and there is nothing worse than standing around in the field all day and not getting a bat because we rolled the other team for 50 odd. Bat first and everyone is guaranteed a game.

Or bowl first, if the oops are 50-8 feed runs to make a game of it.. Even more get a game then!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:19:56 PM »

Quote from: skip1973 on April 08, 2015, 11:21:40 AM

Bizarre

Come on then, what's 'bizarre'?

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:06:52 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on April 08, 2015, 03:19:12 PM

Or bowl first, if the oops are 50-8 feed runs to make a game of it.. Even more get a game then!

If the oppo are 50-8 it's already too late...

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:08:57 AM »

Quote from: TangoWhiskey on April 14, 2015, 11:06:52 AM

If the oppo are 50-8 it's already too late...

Not really, feed runs, leave gaps in their scoring zones..they can both get 50's and suddenly you have nearly 200 to chase (more if you want to make it harder for your batsmen). They love getting the runs, your guys get more batting. Win win oven it's a friendly

SLC · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:36:27 AM »

Makes it ridiculous if you try to do that to any extent. No point in scoring pity runs for the opposition.

And most tailenders couldn't score runs to people bowling with their wrong arm.

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:38:54 AM »

Quote from: SLC on April 14, 2015, 11:36:27 AM

Makes it ridiculous if you try to do that to any extent. No point in scoring pity runs for the opposition.

And most tailenders couldn't score runs to people bowling with their wrong arm.

This. If you're playing a friendly usually the blokes batting 9,10 and 11 can be spotted being taught which end of the bat to hold when they are next in.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:40:34 AM »

Quote from: SLC on April 14, 2015, 11:36:27 AM

Makes it ridiculous if you try to do that to any extent. No point in scoring pity runs for the opposition.

And most tailenders couldn't score runs to people bowling with their wrong arm.

This happened in a Sunday game a few years back!
The oppo were 6 down for not many so they bought the number 3 on to bowl his "very part time" off spin. He took 3-8 off his one over!
The captain (a right arm seamer) then bought himself on to bowl left arm spin, 3 overs, 3 maidens.
In the end he resorted to not very subtlety giving a few loads of 5 wides away

The_Bird · « **Reply #26 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:47:34 AM »

"If you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat."

I think you should play to your strengths, you say you don't chase well but can restrict teams. Sounds like you should bat first if given the option. Do you have a new ball per innings? Are your bowlers line and length or rely on pace?

On the other point friendly or not you should aim to bowl teams out, Pointless practising keeping teams in the game. If the game finishes early play a short T20 or something. Youll get more out of that as opposed to engineering a result.

wcc · « **Reply #27 on:** April 14, 2015, 11:49:42 AM »

I guess it also comes down to what league format you play aswell. In our league you are encouraged to bat first as max points you can get is 30 but only 25 if you bowl first.

addidasf55 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 14, 2015, 01:01:23 PM »

It really depends on your teams strengths really. I've got two examples from last year:
1. We bowled first in a 40 over game. Knocked em over for 170 odd. We lost early wickets chasing and were about 40 odd for 3 and I came out to bat with my opener and the pitch wasn't the greatest but we managed to time our run chase well and chased it down with a few overs to spare. I suppose if we had batted first we might've thrown our bats around a bit more and gotten bowled out early like the opposition? But batting second meant we always had mini targets all the way along.
2. Another 40 over game, it was a small ground like very small and an artificial pitch. Their captain batted first. We had em down to 14-4 off 8 overs then they had a big guy come out and our captain let the game drift coz he thought most scores will be chaseable on that small ground. They ended up with 300. Our batsmen just collapsed under the pressure of the big score, going for too many extravagant shots and we were bowled out for 180 odd.
Moral of the story I guess is depends on the experience of your team. Only time id really want to bat second if it has rained before the game and I know suns gonna be out so hopefully dry out and harden up the pitch.
Any thoughts?

Lumsden · « **Reply #29 on:** April 15, 2015, 12:25:37 AM »

I skippered a 2nd XI for a couple of seasons (2012 & 2013) and on reflection I don't think whether we batted or bowled first actually made much a difference to the result. However given that we had sometimes 8 players who all considered themselves bowlers, I regularly chose to bowl first as it gave me control in terms of making sure everyone got involved. I did win more matches batting first because I knew if we could put 100+ on the board, we had the bowling to knock over most sides in our division. I was also far more ruthless as a fielding captain with a total to defend.

My one rule of captaincy was never take off a youngster after he had a bowled a bad over (or gone for a lot of runs), I always made them bowl another over. It makes the kid both believe in you and more importantly believe in himself.

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