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[IQ]

IQ - Warne was a genius, some of the things he did as skipper oh Hampshire proved that.

Is he the greatest captain Australia never had??

Absolutely.

Warnie had a sharp cricketing brain and he had a great learning opportunity in Border, Mark Taylor (best Aussie captain for me) -  together at slips too,   then played with Steve Waugh (best captain for many) for what seemed like forever.

He mentored Clarke from the start too. Even Clarke the vice captain seemed to undermine captain Ponting at times.

Ponting was a brilliant batsman and fielder but his captaincy always seemed to be focused in the now rather than the future. His tenure left a void for the next team as well - biggest thing for me was not backing his spinners enough.Imagine if warnie wasn't backed in the early part of his career

 He is not the best mentor either- perhaps not gregarious enough? Could be he is not a drinker - sounds crazy but so much team building revolves around being mates! Lol

[IQ]

Don't disagree with anything you said there... Except, you probably haven't seen much of Misbah or Inzamam. Ponting was nowhere near as defensive as either of them or a Cook.

You didn't mention the worst captain of them all -Mohd Yousuf (brilliant batsman though). Apologies to cover_drive for saying that about Moyo ;-)

Harder to judge Pak captains because they operate in a parallel universe to other teams! 1st order of day is dealing with back stabbers - from both in and out of team! lol No home grounds. Expert Media comprises of older players like Shoaib Akhtar and MoYo who are constantly looking to openly even their own personal scores. Board has been spending more time in Supreme Court and with lawyers than anything cricket. For a fair while they didn't have the legal powers to take any decisions!

Misbah - from the start - has the exact opposite team to Ponting. Completely in shatters and limited in offense. Even now top 5 Batsmen are "juniors" and constantly failing. Most of the games he is always playing the rescue role. Over time that will impact your game and thinking too.

Misbah is deemed too defensive for Pakistan standards- they love flamboyant characters in Pak. Even after failing for a decade Afridi is still the biggest hero and the first choice for captain - regularly up voted by media!

When England win hardly anyone complains about Cook being defensive etc but Misbah is bashed regardless every time. Misbah is still Pak' top batsman in all formats and to an outsider the only choice for captain. He is not brilliant but in current scenario ordinary will do!

[IQ]

Warne has a great cricketing brain but not great captaining qualities in my opinion... Lacking people skills I think

I disagree.

Off the field he is a tool, mr Ego -  no doubt.

On the field he is a real professional. Him and Gilly personally couldn't stand each other - almost to the point of hate. Warnie backed someone else to be the keeper post Healey. Him and Steve Waugh weren't best mates either lol.

On the field he acted professionally throughout and always gave his best and got along with the keeper and captain. Even in IPL he was good with G Smith- talking to him about field placements etc.

[Slyboogy]

You didn't mention the worst captain of them all -Mohd Yousuf (brilliant batsman though). Apologies to cover_drive for saying that about Moyo ;-)

Harder to judge Pak captains because they operate in a parallel universe to other teams! 1st order of day is dealing with back stabbers - from both in and out of team! lol No home grounds. Expert Media comprises of older players like Shoaib Akhtar and MoYo who are constantly looking to openly even their own personal scores. Board has been spending more time in Supreme Court and with lawyers than anything cricket. For a fair while they didn't have the legal powers to take any decisions!

Misbah - from the start - has the exact opposite team to Ponting. Completely in shatters and limited in offense. Even now top 5 Batsmen are "juniors" and constantly failing. Most of the games he is always playing the rescue role. Over time that will impact your game and thinking too.

Misbah is deemed too defensive for Pakistan standards- they love flamboyant characters in Pak. Even after failing for a decade Afridi is still the biggest hero and the first choice for captain - regularly up voted by media!

When England win hardly anyone complains about Cook being defensive etc but Misbah is bashed regardless every time. Misbah is still Pak' top batsman in all formats and to an outsider the only choice for captain. He is not brilliant but in current scenario ordinary will do!

Misbah has always been a poor captain.

He should have been gone after the farce of the Champions Trophy. Only now has he been blooding in youngsters to the team, too little too late since the World Cup is around the corner.

Also, his captaincy is like from the 90s if not before, it's old fashoined. He himself doesn't lead from the front, slows down the scoring and puts pressure on his partners, I don't think I've seen him set up or finish a game off apart from the test series in Sri Lanka a while back.

Very poor captain and player, he's made Pakistan to be a very predictable and boring team, there's a stat that if he gets out before 40 Pakistan usually win the game.

Dhoni in limited overs though is quite good, considering his poor bowling options, the team seems to do really well in tournaments.

Clarke's got to be the best at the moment.

[Silver Bullet]

Misbah has always been a poor captain.

He should have been gone after the farce of the Champions Trophy. Only now has he been blooding in youngsters to the team, too little too late since the World Cup is around the corner.

Also, his captaincy is like from the 90s if not before, it's old fashoined. He himself doesn't lead from the front, slows down the scoring and puts pressure on his partners, I don't think I've seen him set up or finish a game off apart from the test series in Sri Lanka a while back.

Very poor captain and player, he's made Pakistan to be a very predictable and boring team, there's a stat that if he gets out before 40 Pakistan usually win the game.

Dhoni in limited overs though is quite good, considering his poor bowling options, the team seems to do really well in tournaments.

Clarke's got to be the best at the moment.

Wowww... Could not possibly disagree more. I rate him as the greatest captain pakistan has ever had. That's not saying much - it's a two man race, and he outperforms Imran statistically every which way, despite not having half as much talent.

He himself doesn't lead from the front There is no way you're watching the same games as the rest of the world. Up until the start of the year, a Misbah 50 was pretty much the surest thing in world cricket.

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He himself doesn't lead from the front There is no way you're watching the same games as the rest of the world. Up until the start of the year, a Misbah 50 was pretty much the surest thing in world cricket.
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I agree with you but he bats too slow at the beginning of his innings in ODIs putting pressure on his partners. I think he's  played defensive for too long now. They've got some good young  batsmen, he does need to play more aggressively now the youngsters  are more experienced.

[Slyboogy]

Wowww... Could not possibly disagree more. I rate him as the greatest captain pakistan has ever had. That's not saying much - it's a two man race, and he outperforms Imran statistically every which way, despite not having half as much talent.

He himself doesn't lead from the front There is no way you're watching the same games as the rest of the world. Up until the start of the year, a Misbah 50 was pretty much the surest thing in world cricket.

Playing defensively and getting a slow fifty during a chase is not what I call leading from the front. His and the teams mentality is very defensive at the moment despite them having attacking batsman. It's the same thing they've been doing under his captaincy for a few years hence the team is not improving.

The main reason why he used to get 50s last year was due to the team being very poor as it had players who were past it and no decent young prospect.

When the team in the field is on the up and takes wickets, he goes on the defense and puts men on the boundaries when there's new batsmen, even a club captain/player knows that when there's a new batsman at the crease you bring the field in a block of the singles.

The only one thing going for him is, he's inherited probably one of the worst Pakistani teams in a while.