Why do you think it is necessary for a retailer to handpick a bat that you are buying blind?
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lazza32

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So if a retailer can't get it right what makes a manufacturer like GM any better. I mean it's like you said, it is all a matter of opinion. Wrong or right I feel more comfortable with someone I have built a relationship with.

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So if a retailer can't get it right what makes a manufacturer like GM any better. I mean it's like you said, it is all a matter of opinion. Wrong or right I feel more comfortable with someone I have built a relationship with.

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Only seeing the three YouTube videos on GMs uk factory I may be way off, but I think the manufacturer is in the box seat. They have a relatively small number of trained staff handling a large number of the same model of bats at different weights. GM also knock in the edges by hand, so it's not too hard to pickup which bats are sounding the goods and which should be downgraded. It's a good quality assurance process to incorporate in the business model.
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That's a fair comment sarg but didn't someone recently posted that they tapped up a player's edition and it was a plank.

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Handpicking has always been just a selling fad plain and simple.

Sorry but when i mentioned it last time i was so called insulting to the people who want handpicking!!!!

Your telling me a bat performance is totally off a mallet as Tom says it was always looks.

I understand business techniques and this was one why not use passion and integrity first...
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Once again procricket how do GM test there bats?

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I make no apologies for repeating what I said in the original thread:

I think that one point worthy of consideration is that retailers who hand pick might actually have different criteria in their selection process, not least because they would have some idea of the numbers of bats at different price points that they want to stock. Some may go for blades with maximum grains, others may not, and so on. There would also be reliance on the retailer's judgement of pick up, which might be different to the customer's. It's the same when we buy a bat from the retailer/maker, we all have different ideas of what we want. Somewhere out there is our ideal bat, which is why we constantly search, but let's face it, it's damned elusive!

Bottom line is that the specialist cricket retailer needs to pick bats which will have a good chance of selling. They aren't stack 'em high and sell 'em cheap. If they can stock what experience tells them will sell, they are doing their job by their business.

Apart from that there's always that element of 'hidden treasure' too. For example, who wouldn't have liked to have been in Chris Soulman's shoes when his visit to H4L saw him stumble across a pro reject bat that he just had to have?
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Once again procricket how do GM test there bats?

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Would not know and to be honest by looks i guess like the handpick blokes too on looks..

Bats are not complicated people talk rubbish and complicate the whole thing..

Got another question when i see people bouncing balls on bats does that mean there 2nd hand as they do get marked....

If you think it the best therefore it plays the best malarky...

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Bats are not complicated people talk rubbish and complicate the whole thing..

Thats perfectly true - there has been too much talk of edge height, spine height, concaving etc etc. This simply complicates the whole bat selection process and very often results in certain bats being overlooked, because they don't have the right "measurements". 

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Thats perfectly true - there has been too much talk of edge height, spine height, concaving etc etc. This simply complicates the whole bat selection process and very often results in certain bats being overlooked, because they don't have the right "measurements". 

I like the pick up of a bat don't  mind about looks or anything. Love the feeling when a bat just feels right in your hands.
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I like the pick up of a bat don't  mind about looks or anything. Love the feeling when a bat just feels right in your hands.
...and ultimately thats the bat you will play the best with.

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That's a fair comment sarg but didn't someone recently posted that they tapped up a player's edition and it was a plank.

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Fair, but I was just guessing that the bat maker would know their product better.

A mate came over the other day for a beer and tapped up all my bats. He picked out my best bat as the Newbery players bin Uzi he hand selected with Tim Keeley five or six years ago. It's the one Bat can't get off the square. I watched him tap it up and noted what sounds he was listening for and how hard he cracked it and sure enough it sounds amazing. Bounce a ball on it and it's still pinging, but get it out in a match and it plays like rubbish. Mind you it has since it was rehandled. Luck of the draw I guess and you never know how it will play until you take a swing at a ball.
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Handpicking is certainly not the be all and end all of bat buying, I think that much is absolutely clear; there are always going to be questions about the person doing the hand picking, whether they are looking for the same things as you yourself would be looking for etc, so its certainly not a panacea.

Having said that, there are definite benefits if you feel you can trust the company doing the hand picking.  Lets say Company X has 1000 bats in stock when the picking occurs, and that they are looking to take one to two percent of those.    Will they select the very best 20 bats?  Almost certainly not - they're unlikely to take a detailed look at them all, and might well discard some very good bats on wholly arbitrary criteria along the way.  But what they will do is filter out the outliers in both directions - picking up the lower grades that look much better than they should or that really perform to take, and the good looking bats that don't quite have it or which might have been "generously" graded to avoid.  I doubt anyone would credibly argue that the chances of getting a plank are massively reduced if the retailer handpicks their sticks, even if the percentage of planks in those 1000 bats was always pretty small.

A personal example.  Most people who have commented on here have expressed the opinion that Kookaburra's new Bubbles have been pretty disappointing - that comment was made repeatedly at the CBF game down at Stone as well, and the four lads at my club who bought them this year have all either stopped using them or stuck them on eBay already.   Yet the one I have that was, coincidentally, handpicked appears to be the exception to the rule - the pick up is great and it absolutely flies.  The retailer has managed to find one really (really) exceptional one in what would otherwise be a disappointing pile.

Going back to Tim's original post behind his (somewhat aggressively phrased) title - when I reacted with surprise to GM refusing to allow handpicking, I did so because I was surprised at the message that sent out.  Although others take a different view, nothing I have read has yet convinced me that I should not have been so surprised.  Nobody would claim miracles would have resulted, but one more layer of consumer confidence would have been created.  It follows that I don't agree that handpicking is a fad or a marketing trick - if nothing else, the travel would be time consuming and expensive for the marketing benefits provided.  Instead, it is a way of adding to everyone's confidence in what can be a tricky process.
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Now I see the reason for the thread, it was not obvious and I didn't know about GM refusing retailers.

I think handpicking is a great service retailers for the consumer who, like me before I joined the forum, would not know what makes a good bat and what to avoid. Testimony of people in this thread confirm this.

That said the majority of cricketers will just buy to their budget on appearance and pickup and therefore it makes sense the retailer to make sure they also look good and are not just picked on performance.
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The single most important thing in choosing a bat is how it feels in your hands.
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As I've said before, despite claims made by others, it is impossible to go through every single bat in a large warehouse when on a Handpicking visit (Indeed GN actually store many bats away from Robertsbridge) especially if you are 'testing for performance' - these warehouses carry thousands of bats and there simply aren't enough hours in the day.

So in reality when Handpicking you aren't getting the 'best' bats, you are getting what you deem to be the best from the small selection actually look at. In this regard it doesn't matter if you get to go to a certain warehouse first or not, there are plenty of bats to go around. It's a nice feeling for me personally to be the first to open a box of shiny new willow, but it's not the end of the world if I don't.

Handpicking is very much an exercise centred around aesthetics, I fully admit that, unlike others. Classic example is the mid range bat that looks like an absolute dogs dinner but flies when you tap a ball up or hit it with a mallet. You won't see it it on the shelves of any retailer who handpicks, even the ones who claim to pick only on performance.........

Do I hit bats with a mallet/tap a ball up with them? Absolutely, because if I pick out a nice looking bat but it feels dead/unimpressive then back into the box it goes.

The main advantages of Handpicking?

I can filter out the higher end bats that don't look absolutely spot on (many people want something that looks perfect when spending £300)

I can hope (but not expect) to pick up some nice looking bats at the lower end of the range, I'll try not to take any planky ones but ultimately if you are spending sub £100 on a bat there is only so much you can expect, I always try my best though, haven't had any complaints thus far.

Any ropey looking or poorly performing (it's quick and easy to pick up on a bat that will be a dud in most cases.) bats can be avoided.

Form our point of view it's a good day out, nice to meet the people at the brands, chat cricket, view the facilities etc. in the case of GN we normally arrange for Chris or Alex to make a nice bat for our own kit bags too :)

Once all the bats are in the shop and a customer walks in, very rarely do I plonk a single bat in front of them, unless they come in with a specific model and weight in mind and are unwilling to deviate. Normally I ask for a few things to help narrow things down, then I start to lay out a few bats (anywhere from 5-20 is the norm I suppose, depending on the info they give on what they want) in front of them and encourage them to pick the bats up, have a swing  tap a ball up and come to their own conclusion, I of course provide advice/input but the decision must be yours, you are the one who will be using it after all.
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