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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2014, 08:40:19 AM »

Simple economics really - if two products are made from the same materials and manufactured by the same people using almost entirely the same processes, why should one cost 30% more? If Newbery's grading is consistent across the ranges, then the only differences between a Krakatoa (say) and a Kudos2 are the shape and the pressing. Shape is a matter of personal preference rather than measurable performance benefits (I'm sure someone will disagree with that), and although I'm not intimately familiar with the pressing process I doubt very highly that there's a big cost/time difference between different methods!

As for the palm leather analogy - this doesn't work at all! Cheap gloves don't have expensive leather palms because expensive leather is expensive (ie. not cheap), so gloves with expensive leather must retail at a higher price for the manufacturer to make a profit. Similarly with outsourcing manufacture abroad, companies in any sector don't just do that for the fun of it.

Pressing one way or another (almost certainly) doesn't cost any extra, so logically the bat should not cost more (or at least not a lot more), and as it doesn't cost any more to press a bat well rather than badly you would assume any bat company would aim to press every bat as well as possible. The willow grading would still lead to a price rise across a range. The extra cost and 'superior pressing' claims to me implies two things - either Newbury are deliberately making some bats to a lower standard, or they are simply trying to squeeze extra money out of customers with a new range, or both! This doesn't make me dead keen to go out and buy one of their bats.
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« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2014, 08:50:27 AM »

Newbery might argue that with the Premium Pressing on the Kudos2 they are charging more because they need to start to recoup the R&D costs that went into developing and implementing this and as the results are better than their previous technique they offer two options. You can have the premium product that performs better at a premium price, or you can have the standard product that is still very good, but at a more palatable price...
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« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2014, 08:52:03 AM »

That would be a reasonable reason for charging more for a new product, but still... a third more?
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« Reply #78 on: September 25, 2014, 09:01:14 AM »

Slightly off topic here but I was looking at the stockists for Newbery and their Australian stockist is a "company" that has no website and only 4 Twitter followers... does that make sense? Newberys number 1 stockist in Australia
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« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2014, 09:30:06 AM »

Newbery might argue that with the Premium Pressing on the Kudos2 they are charging more because they need to start to recoup the R&D costs that went into developing and implementing this and as the results are better than their previous technique they offer two options. You can have the premium product that performs better at a premium price, or you can have the standard product that is still very good, but at a more palatable price...

would iot not make sense to press all the bats the 'better' way and spread the premium then?
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« Reply #80 on: September 25, 2014, 09:34:49 AM »

would iot not make sense to press all the bats the 'better' way and spread the premium then?
Given the increase in willow costs already factored into the price increases this year, the additional pressing costs would have raised the price of normal bats too much.
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« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2014, 10:01:58 AM »

It's not a third more on the new pressing alone, because there is already a "new model premium" of 12.5% on the Kudos and Panache SPS's over the older model SPS's... ;)
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« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2014, 10:32:58 AM »

Given the increase in willow costs already factored into the price increases this year, the additional pressing costs would have raised the price of normal bats too much.
Would it though??
When you even it out over the whole range I imagine the difference wouldn't be as huge as some would expect.

How many lower end bats are sold? If that's quite a high figure/percentage of sales an extra £10 - £15 per bat would probably make more up than sales of just the Kudos 2 at the inflated price would. That would then reduce the prices of their new top end bats and everyone's happy(ish).

(This is just speculation on my part, I have no idea what Newbery's sales figures actually look like!)
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Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2014, 11:00:08 AM »

May be they bought a brand new press and as people are saying that they do want to test that out with Kudos2.
Why to change what is working and based on that keep existing bats on the existing process till it becomes cheaper and viable to press all bats in this new process.
May be they hired someone to whom they are paying premium for getting the new tech/process working for kudos 2.
Everyone is saying why not do it on all bats but may be that is not feasible now.
It will not make sense to get rid of existing setup and say replace all they machinery at one time.
Without knowing the underlying change we cannot comment if the price hike was required or if it's just a marketing gimmic to state that we have now one top of the line bats.
There are so many factors here guys.
Thanks to Paul @IJC that we have some info but as always incomplete info leads to more doubts than confidence.
So people who have the money can buy Kudos2.
May be save your 100gbp by not participating in buying cheap equipment challenge and invest that in Kudos2.
Newbery runs a big operation and it takes time and money to bring in new technology and implement that in your existing product range.
I can give similar examples from other industries if needed.
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #84 on: September 25, 2014, 11:19:34 AM »

Slightly off topic here but I was looking at the stockists for Newbery and their Australian stockist is a "company" that has no website and only 4 Twitter followers... does that make sense? Newberys number 1 stockist in Australia
There are no Australian stockists for the English made Newbery.
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« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2014, 12:08:19 PM »

There are no Australian stockists for the English made Newbery.


Think you better check their website skip

http://newbery.co.uk/pages/stockists
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« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2014, 12:36:41 PM »

Try giving them a bell and see how you go.
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« Reply #87 on: September 25, 2014, 12:38:03 PM »

Going by their Twitter they stock Salix as well
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« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2014, 12:40:27 PM »

Salix is not an issue, the Newbery licence is.
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« Reply #89 on: September 25, 2014, 12:42:23 PM »

Well Newbery UK state they are a distributor
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