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Re: KP: The Autobiography Discussion [SPOILERS ENCLOSED]
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2014, 11:44:09 AM »

https://twitter.com/fwildecricket/status/522435759111159808

totally agree. KP is a long way from being innocent but I doubt anybody can feel comfortable that the ECB/Flower were even handed. The KP Genius twitter account is the most glaring example. How they viewed personal texts and a public twitter account as not the same kind of crime is beyond me.
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Re: KP: The Autobiography Discussion [SPOILERS ENCLOSED]
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2014, 12:45:28 PM »

totally agree. KP is a long way from being innocent but I doubt anybody can feel comfortable that the ECB/Flower were even handed. The KP Genius twitter account is the most glaring example. How they viewed personal texts and a public twitter account as not the same kind of crime is beyond me.

In my eyes the KP genius account was a far worse crime. In the past I've been less than complimentary to a colleague/boss in a private conversation but I'd never be involved in the group ridicule of someone, regardless whether or not they were an a(r)se.
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Re: KP: The Autobiography Discussion [SPOILERS ENCLOSED]
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2014, 12:49:03 PM »

Most companies make you sign an agreement about social media these days, which of the ones I've seen involvement in such a thing like the KP Genius account would amount to breaking that agreement.
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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2014, 01:41:03 PM »

I agree that the twitter account was far worse than text gate. Texts are in theory (unless leaked of course) private.. twitter just isn't.

ECB are just getting away with it time and time again, they will with all this too as people will just sweep it under the carpet.
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« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2014, 01:43:31 PM »

Depends what was said in these texts. KP has never showed them to the ECB, so he could well have been giving the Saffa's inside information, who knows. Both as bad as each other, KP should have shown the ECB the texts. The only reason he kept them quiet is because they would have ended his career in England in my opinion.
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Re: KP: The Autobiography Discussion [SPOILERS ENCLOSED]
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2014, 12:50:34 AM »

Depends what was said in these texts. KP has never showed them to the ECB, so he could well have been giving the Saffa's inside information, who knows. Both as bad as each other, KP should have shown the ECB the texts. The only reason he kept them quiet is because they would have ended his career in England in my opinion.

to be fair to KP as he says in his book with all the research, video footage and analysis plus one of the best bowling attacks in world cricket the Saffers didnt really need an input from KP to work out how to get English batsmen out. Why would he have bothered? Far more logical that all he did was tell his mates he thought his captain was a ****
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Re: KP: The Autobiography Discussion [SPOILERS ENCLOSED]
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2014, 06:59:14 AM »

The thing I find most interesting reading the book is that KP felt that the dressing room and Andy Flower were against him, in his view because he participated in the IPL and got bid for in the Auctions to the tune of $1.5mn and none of the other England players got a bid.

He talks a lot about his friendships with other IPL internationals and how he used to keep in contact with them, even during England duty.

What he doesn't bother with is any introspection as to why KPGenius might have existed. It was just because he was an IPL superstar. There seems to be an incredibly limited amount of self awareness with regard to the impact that he might have on the dressing room and how his behaviour might come across.

Whilst I don't doubt that there were certain factions in the ECB and Dressing room that really weren't helpful, I do wonder quite how nihilistic KP himself sometimes was. Let's face it, generally there isn't smoke without fire, so KPGenius came from somewhere, as did the behaviour he felt was directed at him.
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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2014, 11:59:50 AM »

to be fair to KP as he says in his book with all the research, video footage and analysis plus one of the best bowling attacks in world cricket the Saffers didnt really need an input from KP to work out how to get English batsmen out. Why would he have bothered? Far more logical that all he did was tell his mates he thought his captain was a ****

If that's the case, why wouldn't he show the texts?
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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2014, 01:23:22 PM »

If that's the case, why wouldn't he show the texts?

Probably the same reasons why broad and co wouldn't ever admit to the bullying using Twitter.
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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2014, 10:23:33 AM »

Got it last week for £10 at Waterstones, haven't read it yet, but from the stuff I've seen on twitter it should be a good read!
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Re: KP: The Autobiography Discussion [SPOILERS ENCLOSED]
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2014, 05:41:32 PM »

It's a personal tyrade against Andy Flower. Flower is the only constant in the book. He does mention the bullying culture but I'm not sure bowlers getting upset at mis-fields really constitutes bullying. Yes in an ideal world encouragement and support should be the order of the day on the field, but anybody who has played the game knows frustration does come into play.

He over dramatises occassions when he has been wronged (@KPGenius) and plays down the occassions when he was out of line (Textgate) He suggests that English Cricket is narrow minded when it comes to the IPL, Big Bash etc and he is probably right about that. English folks are generally narrow minded when it comes to sport (If you disagree consider how many English players are currently playing sport abroad and Vice-Versa)

Most of all though it is disappointing in the fact that KP has played with and against the best players in world cricket, at the best grounds on the biggest occassions and he has forgotten to give us the 'behind-the-scenes' cricket stuff that the cricket fans wanted. The best part of the entire book in my opinion is his exchange with Raul Dravid in which Dravid gives him advice on playing left-arm spin.

More cricket less 'He said, She said' next time please Kevin.
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