Topic: Netiquette - what are the unspoken rules of net? (Read 14923 times)

eukaryote76 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2014, 11:15:02 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on November 23, 2014, 09:50:40 AM

Bat as you would in a match bowl as you would in a match.

I agree completely, and suddenly am very grateful for those with whom I net. When I read the title of this thread I was expecting people to be talking about walking out the proper side of the net, returning balls that are closer to you than the bowler, not walking across lanes to get your kit, not leaving/ rolling balls back to the kit bag directly in front of somebody's run up� etc.

edge · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2014, 12:07:02 PM »

Quote from: RichW on November 24, 2014, 10:48:47 AM

I'm a batsman and slow bowler but my pet hate is fast bowlers who bowl no balls in the nets!!

I don't mind short bowling and bowlers should definitely go full pelt but bowling of 19 yards is unfair and dangerous.

You should practise batting and bowling as if it's a game, set situations like the first 10 overs or the last 5 overs discuss this with bowlers. But as it's a game situation it involves bowling from 22 yards!!

I get stick for this in nets (I don't go over delibarately unless for comedy/silly bouncer effect - the nets we use are unbelievably slow and low) but am told I routinely go a foot or so over. Never seen a massive problem with this as in an indoor net I'm not coming off a proper runup, my outdoor runup is consistent enough that I never bowl no balls in games. Why do batsmen (and it almost always is) get so annoyed by this? I should point out I'm a batsman who bowls and I'm not bothered by other quickies who do it as I don't think it makes any difference if they're a bit over the line.

As for netting as you would in a game, agree to an extent but how do you expect to learn any new skills or improve on your weaknesses? Eg. my driving isn't great so in a match I'll mostly leave stuff full outside off unless it's a real half volley, I see nets as a chance to practice a shot that otherwise I'll just be cutting out, with the aim of being able to score more runs in matches using it. Or from a bowling point of view, learning a new delivery - spent a solid month last winter bowling pretty much only back of the hand slower balls in nets, was all over the place at first but now I can bowl it accurately on demand. Not a ball I bring out all that often but it's definitely improved my t20 game, if I was concentrating on hitting top of off only in nets I'd never have learnt it.

Buzz · « **Reply #17 on:** November 24, 2014, 01:19:09 PM »

Quote from: RichW on November 24, 2014, 10:48:47 AM

I'm a batsman and slow bowler but my pet hate is fast bowlers who bowl no balls in the nets!!

I don't mind short bowling and bowlers should definitely go full pelt but bowling of 19 yards is unfair and dangerous.

You should practise batting and bowling as if it's a game, set situations like the first 10 overs or the last 5 overs discuss this with bowlers. But as it's a game situation it involves bowling from 22 yards!!

very much this - plus I really hate bowlers appealing and telling you you are out for everything oh and making up fielding positions too...

I get annoyed for this because (like with chucking) a load of your ability to react to where to move comes from the bowlers action - by moving it a metre forward it can throw your reaction and movement time - and it becomes a wasted practice session. Less of an issue with a medium bowler or slower.
But the point is as a batsman you need to practice your ractions time and reading of line and length (even if this is sibliminal).

As for the bowlers - if you get used to bowling the wrong length you look very silly outside and if you get used to bowling no balls - you do it under pressure.
At first class level they have cracked down on it for a good reason, clubs should too.

Gurujames · « **Reply #18 on:** November 24, 2014, 01:29:58 PM »

I don't like it when the batsman can't be bothered to bend down, pick the ball up and throw it back to you. Hitting it like a hockey ball back is plain rude.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 24, 2014, 01:31:32 PM »

Quote from: Gurujames on November 24, 2014, 01:29:58 PM

I don't like it when the batsman can't be bothered to bend down, pick the ball up and throw it back to you. Hitting it like a hockey ball back is plain rude.

Unless it's a wide, then its deserved!

Stuey · « **Reply #20 on:** November 24, 2014, 01:40:43 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on November 22, 2014, 11:21:39 PM

Time is whatever net time is divided by amount of batsman. 3rds no.11 gets the same amount of time as firsts opener.

I've never understood why the tail get the same batting time as the top order, for the benefit of the team surely it makes more sense for the top order to have more batting time than the tail.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 24, 2014, 01:55:43 PM »

Quote from: Stuey on November 24, 2014, 01:40:43 PM

I've never understood why the tail get the same batting time as the top order, for the benefit of the team surely it makes more sense for the top order to have more batting time than the tail.

Surely it makes more sense for the tail to practice and improve than the bloke who scores heaps of runs to bat most of the session?

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #22 on:** November 24, 2014, 02:26:41 PM »

Quote from: Stuey on November 24, 2014, 01:40:43 PM

I've never understood why the tail get the same batting time as the top order, for the benefit of the team surely it makes more sense for the top order to have more batting time than the tail.

I wouldn't expect someone to come and bowl at me all day in the nets and then only bowl at them for 5 minutes. Most people are there for the enjoyment, it's not pro standard so if they want a bat they should get one.

Stuey · « **Reply #23 on:** November 24, 2014, 02:27:32 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on November 24, 2014, 01:55:43 PM

Surely it makes more sense for the tail to practice and improve than the bloke who scores heaps of runs to bat most of the session?

I don't agree, you want the top order to score at least 75% of the teams runs, having them spend the bulk of the net session bowling or standing around whilst the tail who may bat every other week bat use up the equal amount of time, doesn't make sense to me. It's similar to having your bowlers standing around waiting to bowl whilst everyone in the team has a trundle. It's not an effective use of the net session.

The Palmist · « **Reply #24 on:** November 24, 2014, 03:38:24 PM »

Quote from: Stuey on November 24, 2014, 02:27:32 PM

I don't agree, you want the top order to score at least 75% of the teams runs, having them spend the bulk of the net session bowling or standing around whilst the tail who may bat every other week bat use up the equal amount of time, doesn't make sense to me. It's similar to having your bowlers standing around waiting to bowl whilst everyone in the team has a trundle. It's not an effective use of the net session.

Your logic is correct but this is amateur cricket. Most in my league play for the fun of it. If they don't get to bat, they will just stop turning up. We have very few people who actually enjoy bowling over batting. Most would like to bat whether they can or not is another thing.

You cannot expect people to turn up week after week, pay five quid or so and do not even get to bat.

Problem with our nets is quality of bowling. Most of the main bowlers do not bother turning up and you end up facing part timers or non bowlers for the whole session.

smilley792 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 24, 2014, 04:02:17 PM »

Up until the age of 21 I used to bat 11. I now open for the 1st team and got picked for the league rep side as a batsmen.

Do you think I improved by getting only 3 mins a net due to being a "bowler?"

Anyone that thinks batsmen should get longer bats then anyone else in an amateur club is rather selfish. And I wouldn't want to play cricket with them.

Everyone pays there membership and net fee's, and all deserve the exact same chances of practice.

The Palmist · « **Reply #26 on:** November 24, 2014, 04:07:58 PM »

We have some Divas who turn up late, get padded up and people just let them bat and bat and bat. I would usually get ready and call time.

This season I am going to have a stern word with net organisers and will make it clear that if they don't work on a fair system then I am not wasting my time and money.

There were a few occasions last season where I didn't get to bat or had to remind people repeatedly that others need to bat as well. Most of the second teamers are very mild natured and will suffer in silence than speak up.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 24, 2014, 04:14:07 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on November 24, 2014, 04:02:17 PM

Up until the age of 21 I used to bat 11. I now open for the 1st team and got picked for the league rep side as a batsmen.

Do you think I improved by getting only 3 mins a net due to being a "bowler?"

Anyone that thinks batsmen should get longer bats then anyone else in an amateur club is rather selfish. And I wouldn't want to play cricket with them.

Everyone pays there membership and net fee's, and all deserve the exact same chances of practice.

This!

Last season I batted in the "academy nets" (anyone up to age 27 qualified I think) once in 5 weeks, for a whole 10 minutes.
When I asked the "head coach" why I never got to bat he simply said "you're a bowler, you're here to bowl at the proper batsmen"
I politely told him I wasn't going to improve my batting by not getting a go, and felt these sessions were a waste of time. When I was basically told tough I made a point of finding other things to do on a Friday night for the rest of the 12 week course, why waste money to be told I can't bat, because the same 4 or 5 people were batting for the whole session every week.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 24, 2014, 04:21:29 PM »

On the batter vs bowler subject this is my take.

I play club cricket but a decent level of it and in our 1st team the early nets for pre season are very much bowlers bowl and batters bat. This is agreed and has been for many years. However at the moments it's a fair split of everybody bats for the amount of time divided by how many turn up.

Out 2/3 team operate in the same way as well. It annoys a few but the majority agree it's the right way but I get not all play a decent level and even some that do will disagree

I must say I do agree with the putting the ball back instead of picking it up and tossing it back does make me bang it in a yard or so further back each time. Although as a hobbit doesn't make much difference tbh lol

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 24, 2014, 04:33:29 PM »

@SOULMAN1012 pre season is a different one, as people need to "get back into it" after a winter of overeating and drinking too much. However, after that initial stage of the season, decent level or not we all pay fees, so everyone deserves the chance to bat.

Regardless of the standard, at the end of the day it's still club cricket. None of us are Pro's, we all turn up to enjoy ourselves, if I start getting told I can't bat at nets I'll just not turn up. Why should I pay my hard earned money to not get a bat?

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