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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2014, 12:23:48 PM »

The thing is, up until about 18 months ago Hughes always swayed out of the way of bouncers.

He never played a hook or a pull stroke ever off the fast men as he stayed leg side of the ball.

Then the coaches at CA got into him about developing an all round game so he could be more rounded when he next plays test cricket and he started playing the hook and the pull where previously, he never touched those two strokes.

That turn of the head at the last split second has allowed the ball to hit on that bit of bone just behind/below the ear for a disasterous outcome.

Hughes literally would have been better off taking the ball flush on the grill or above the visor.

I feel sick with worry at the lack of news on his welfare.

The kid is in an induced coma and is fighting for his life. The results of the surgery will not be known for 24-48 hours.

It must be hell for his family.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2014, 12:47:05 PM »

Agreed. I don't think any helmet could have prevented that injury. Awful. He's been terribly unlucky. I hope he pulls through OK. Abbott must be feeling terrible.


Really hope he pulls through as well. terrible terrible thing to happen.

The thread below claims Ayrtek lids do have protection to stop this sort of blow.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29498.0

Will the press release over the Staurt Braod incident come back to haunt Masuri?
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2014, 01:40:46 PM »

Not sure the Ayrtek press release does that - from the images it looks as if he was hit behind the ear which is no protected by anything in any lid.

Vic you comment about techinque was interesting, I always thought Hughes has technical issues, but was solid against the short ball - as you said he got out of the way well. This shows the imact of poor coaching and trying too hard to change methods, when you frequently don't need to.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2014, 01:44:13 PM »

All helmet manufacturers strive to provide the best possible levels of protection for batsmen when wearing a product at the crease. However as has been shown today not ever scenario can be accounted for, be it the shape and age of the ball squeezing through a gap, a top edge or the batsmen's natural instinct to avoid being struck by the ball.

Rest assured we have invested time, money and resources into designing products we feel offer optimal levels of protection to help significantly reduce the risk/severity of injury in the event the product is called into action.

We would like to take the opportunity to wish Phil Hughes a full and speedy recovery.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30191502
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2014, 01:45:18 PM »

Just seen the awful footage, Vic, really interesting insight into Hughes being coached to face the short ball. Have to agree with buzz too-can you coach a mentality that isn't there?
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2014, 01:47:10 PM »

Really hope he pulls through as well. terrible terrible thing to happen.

The thread below claims Ayrtek lids do have protection to stop this sort of blow.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29498.0



The area illustrated in the picture is the rear neck area which was highlighted by the ICC/FICA as an area of concern and being vulnerable in the event a player turns their head/back on the ball. As mentioned by Buzz it appears Hughes was struck in an area where helmets would provide little to no protection due to the position he got into.

A very unfortunate series of events resulting in a very serious injury that we all hope he makes a full and speedy recovery from.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2014, 02:32:42 PM »

Thats very unfortunate. Feel lucky, had a similar blow last season just 3-4 inches in front and survived with 7 stitches above right eyebrow.
Hope he recovers and comes back stronger.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2014, 02:42:52 PM »

A very unfortunate situation and one that highlights the dangers that are in cricket.

We can only hope the Phil Hughes recovers fully.

One would hope that coaching and not helmets are what comes under scrutiny following this incident.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2014, 03:14:00 PM »

it is a freak injury I can't see how any helmet worn today would of prevented the injury..he didn't hook against England when he played in the Ashes so got a lot of short balls(he got out the way)

very interested in Vic's comments about  coaching the hook and pull, personally I've always believed these particular shots come naturally or not at all. Jonathan Trott would be one example.
There's been plenty of players over the years who did well in Test cricket without pulling or hooking.....they either swayed or ducked under
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2014, 04:16:09 PM »

This is Athers' response in the Times - note that this is the second similar incident in a month according to the article...

Helmets have made us complacent

Mike Atherton Chief Cricket Correspondent
Last updated at 11:30AM, November 25 2014
There is a certain irony in the knowledge that Phil Hughes was stricken and sent into hospital and on to life support not by a ball that was too quick for him, but by a ball that was too slow.

Hughes is a left-hander; he was hit on the left side of his head. All former professional batsmen know, therefore, that in trying to play the hook shot, he was through his movements too soon. He had completed the stroke a fraction before the ball arrived, turning his head having completed the shot, only for the ball to hit him below the helmet, near his left ear, as he swivelled around. Maybe the ball “stuck” in the pitch a fraction longer than normal; maybe Hughes simply mistimed his shot.

There are two ways an opener can get clattered on the head, and, paradoxically, it often happens when they are too early on the stroke rather than too late. Openers have a phrase to which they tend to adhere: give the bowlers the first hour. The ball is new, the pitch fresh, the bowlers eager. It pays to be a little conservative. Everything is at its quickest then, and the hook shot — one of the riskiest in a batsman’s portfolio — can be put away until later.

Until the ball is older, the pitch flatter and the bowlers a little more tired. That is exactly where Hughes found himself at 2.23pm yesterday afternoon at the Sydney Cricket Ground. He was playing well, pushing hard to regain his Test place. He had given the opening bowlers the early phase of the game; this was his time now, time to take advantage. A short ball from Sean Abbott, therefore, presented an opportunity rather than a threat, but seconds after being hit Hughes collapsed into the turf, a second blow to the head as he fell, accentuating the first.

Even in this helmeted, padded age, cricket remains a brutal game and Hughes’ sickening injury was a reminder of that. To read Kevin Pietersen’s recent autobiography, and the description of waiting to bat against Mitchell Johnson at the “Gabbatoir”, was another. England’s tailenders were, to be frank, sh**ting themselves, said Pietersen; Pietersen himself thought he could be killed. To be reminded of those things is to be reminded of the terrible beauty but threat that genuine fast bowling brings to the game. Without fast bowling, without the physical threat, cricket is a lesser game. But with that, comes inevitable risk.

For the vast majority of batsmen who get hit, the helmet does the trick and prevents serious injury. We have seen a few examples in recent years of the ball bursting through the grille of the helmet, as it did to Stuart Broad last summer, or as it did to the West Indian batsman, Kieron Pollard, during Twenty20 finals day at the Ageas Bowl in 2010, when a Dominic Cork bouncer smashed sickeningly into his right eye. Instinctively, I thought that Pollard would lose his eye at that moment (he was fine ultimately) and Broad did break his nose, so briefly ruining his looks, but there have been few instances of a threat to life, as in the hours after Hughes’s injury yesterday.

Maybe helmets had made us a little complacent, then. Certainly, they have changed the game beyond all recognition. Before the advent of helmets in the mid to late 1970s, batsmen were acutely aware that a blow to the head could put them in the morgue. Facing Harold Larwood in the 1930s, or Frank Tyson in the 1950s, or that dreaded combination Lillee ’n Thomson in the 1970s, was to walk to the crease with that knowledge. It is why I have always argued that any comparisons between batsmen of the pre-helmet age, and post-helmet age, are ridiculous.

Helmets changed the way batsmen play, and in doing so altered the dynamic of the game fundamentally. Whereas, pre-helmets, batsmen tended to move back and across initially, post-helmets, they advanced to the bowler more; whereas, pre-helmets, batsman hooked cautiously, infrequently and off the back foot, giving themselves a fraction longer to see the ball, post-helmets (think, above all, Matthew Hayden here) they hooked off the front foot with added danger. The balance between bat and ball, aggressor and defender, shifted: batsmen are now, figuratively and literally, on the front foot.

Hughes’s injury, therefore, is a reminder that batting remains, if not quite as dangerous a game as before, then still one with serious risk attached.

I spoke today to a writer who was at the SCG and witnessed the action. I wanted to check that Hughes had actually been hit on the left side off the head. He certainly had, my colleague said, before adding that he bumped into Ben Rohrer, the New South Wales batsman, just after Hughes had been hit. Rohrer suffered a similar injury earlier in the month, hit on the side of the head, through his stroke too soon, staggering a few steps before collapsing. Thankfully, Rohrer recovered fully, although my colleague said that he still looked pale even yesterday, three weeks after the incident. Let us hope that Hughes, like Rohrer, recovers to tell the tale.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2014, 04:26:39 PM »

Aakash Chopra's  view on the incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=melbctiFiAM
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2014, 04:33:41 PM »

Good article from Athers, a reminder to everyone of the dangers of playing cricket. Thoughts and prayers with Phil Hughes and his family.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2014, 05:37:37 PM »

Just saw a tweet, which indicated that Masuri released a statement:
Graphic released by manufacturer of the helmet worn by Phil Hughes. The one he wore was the older model. #PhilHughes http://t.co/WIa7pyQGQ0
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2014, 05:55:42 PM »


Just saw a tweet, which indicated that Masuri released a statement:
Graphic released by manufacturer of the helmet worn by Phil Hughes. The one he wore was the older model. #PhilHughes http://t.co/WIa7pyQGQ0

In many ways that's worse than the Broad comment. It invites the reader to say "if he had been wearing a new one it wouldn't have happened" which we can't know.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2014, 05:58:17 PM »

^^^ in that case they should recall their old defective product [emoji6]
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