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Vic Nicholas

Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #75 on: November 26, 2014, 02:25:28 AM »

very interested in Vic's comments about  coaching the hook and pull, personally I've always believed these particular shots come naturally or not at all. Jonathan Trott would be one example.
There's been plenty of players over the years who did well in Test cricket without pulling or hooking.....they either swayed or ducked under

To answer ppccopener and a few others on here in relation to the hook shot and Phil Hughes recent acquisition of the stroke.

As most cricket fanatics on this site well know, Australian batsmen and the hook shot are synonymous with each other. One cannot think of one without conjuring up images of the other.

Every great Australian batsman, be it Bradman, Ian and Greg Chappell, Kim Hughes, Allan Border, Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Mike Hussey, Michael Clarke and now Davey Warner all play the hook instinctively.

Why?

Because we are brought up playing it from a very early age. It is in our DNA to play it. So when an Aussie batsman doesn't hook, it seems odd. Almost un-Australian.

Steve Waugh was a compulsive hooker, but decided against the West Indies it was asking for trouble. So he put the shot away...for good. Never played it against anyone. His reasoning was that he didn't want to play a shot that was for him low percentage.

Others like the Chappell's, Kim Hughes, Ponting etc played the hook so well, that it was an attacking weapon to put a fast bowler in his place. "You reckon you are fast...COP THAT!"

Which leads us to Phil Hughes...

As a kid Hughes grew up on his parents banana plantation in Macksville. His dad used to bowl/throw downs at Phil for hours on end sometimes to satiate his sons thirst for improvement. As Phil's Italian mums rose bushes were on his legside, he knew that any shot into them would have his mother upset requesting they stop playing. SO Hughes avoided leg side strokes altogether and developed a home baked technique that allowed him to stay legside of the ball and hit it anywhere from over slip through the covers, to straight...and occasionally an on drive thrown in. But hooks and pulls were out of the question.

So when I saw Phil Hughes hooking and pulling in FC games less than 2 years ago...I knew that this was part of Cricket Australia's brains trust to try and turn Phil Hughes into an round wicket player rather than someone who merely swayed out of the way of bouncers monotonously.

What was obvious straight away was Phil Hughes hooking and pulling, whilst technically sound, looked unnatural...sort of mechanical. It was obvious he had honed it with hours of work with a bowling machine...but he still did not have a natural "feel" for the stroke.

In his innings yesterday, Hughes would have been almost certainly thinking "not only do I need a hundred to keep my name up in lights for a test recall, there has to be runs scored all round the wicket. Because the Aussie selectors will take notice if I crunch a few hooks and pulls to the boundary".

The Aussie selectors have an ingrained mentality of what an Aussie batsmen should play like...and when they saw Hughes back when he was slicing and dicing a bewildered South African bowling attack who were puzzled as to what this kid was up to with this strange technique...rather than just leave the boy be, experts like Greg Chappell started almost immediately to mess with the kids mind by making public statements along the lines of "Phil Hughes can potentially be a great Australian batsman, but he needs to start playing the hook and pull".

I remember those press quotes as clear as day.

The kid has scored 469 runs in a 3 test series on the high veldt against Steyn, Morkel and Ntini, and he was already being criticized??

By the time he got to England for the Ashes, he was already muddled in his thinking with all the conflicting advice he was receiving.

He was dumped after 3 test innings. 36 at Sophia Gardens. 4 (caught down the legside) and 16 (when Strauss claimed a catch from a ball that bounced in front of him) at Lords.

HARSH.

But the kid took it well and thought his time would come soon enough.

In the mean time, CA sent guys like Justin Langer to instruct Hughes to play the hook and pull etc and the lad became more confused. He was brought in for the injured Watson in a test in New Zealand and when Oz needed 115 to win, Hughes scored 86 not out off 75 balls to leave Katich standing still as Australia won by 10 wickets. And the selectors congratulated the lad, by dropping him immediately!

This messed with Hughes mind and his confidence plummeted to unseen levels. He was in shocking form in FC cricket when the selectors against all logic brought him back against England in the 3rd test of the 2010/11 Ashes. He predictably failed in all three tests, although he battled hard. Within a few weeks, he was dumped from the NSW team altogether and was back playing grade cricket. Confidence shot.

He worked hard and got selected for the Sri Lanka tour where he made a decent hundred in the 3rd test and then in the first test against SA in SA, he made a dashing 88. Three tests later, he was dumped again after the innocuous Chris Martin had him flashing at balls outside off stump straight to Guptill at third slip.

The "Phil Hughes has to learn how to play the hook and pull" drums beat louder and louder.

Brought back more than a year later against Sri Lanka at home he made 86 and 87 in the two tests and then had a poor first two tests against India in India (most Oz batsmen struggle there), but he came good with 69 in 3rd test (given out caught behind when he missed it ala Khawaja style) and 40 in the last test.

Made 81 not out in the first Ashes test...and true to form, was dropped straight after making two poor scores in the Lords test not to be seen again.

The hooking and pulling intensified as Hughes then spent the last year and a bit piling up big scores (two double centuries this year)...but ot looked forced...not natural. Because it really wasn't in Hughes psyche to play the shot.

Now today we are left praying for the well being a of young guy who is lying in a life threatening coma down to a shot he would not have even bothered playing 18 months ago.

Now is not the time for blood letting and blame shifting...but Phil Hughes was given many, many mixed messages as to what it would take to get back into the team only to see blokes like Maxwell selected at #3 in Australia's most recent test in UAE. Never once did he complain...but, I cannot help but feel Hughes was extending himself in ways he need not have to try and appease the Australian Selectors.

The ball hitting below the helmet line on a batsmen through with the shot too early is unpreventable and cannot be planned for. Driving a batsman to play a shot he was never comfortable with was entirely avoidable.

If you are not hooking by the time you are 14-15, you will never be a hooker.

The pull is entirely different (although mechanically it resembles its cousin the hook) in that it is played from balls that are chest height and lower and frequently from outside of off stump and thus off the line of the body. The hook is played to a ball that is zeroing in on your head...if you are not confident playing it, you should never play it. It si like asking someone with jumpy nerves to be a bomb disposal specialist...it is courting with disaster.

All we can hope for is that Phil makes a full recovery to health. That is what I am praying for...and I know all you blokes want the same.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #76 on: November 26, 2014, 02:43:14 AM »

Could we all for one not talk about helmets. and instead all go too sleep with a little thought for a great cricketer who might be facing the biggest battle. best wishes mate.

My appologies, and of course my prayers are with him
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2014, 06:38:24 AM »

Very sad news about Phil, like all of us my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.

Vic, your points on the hook shot and Phil Hughes are very interesting.   

From an Australian perspective, I think people who have made the test team as batsmen are expected to be able to hook convincingly (even if they choose not to). I remember Michael Bevan being battered by the short ball (I think in 1997 Ashes) and was never given a chance again in tests despite scoring heavily in the Sheffield shield matches later on, his test career ended after that. So can certainly understand if Phil may have felt the pressure to show that he could play the shot at will like his other contemporaries, especially the way he had been treated in the past and the many mixed signals from selectors.

I also agree that you are either a natural at it or not. More than any other shot I can think of, the hook requires instinct, it is not something you can ever learn at a later stage to be completely comfortable with when a ball is zeroing in at your head at speed. 

Still all in all its just a very sad unfortunate accident, something that could have happened to even the best hookers in the game.


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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #78 on: November 26, 2014, 09:16:59 AM »

Great post above Vic - people blaming the equipment are looking for the easy answer.

The hook is a crazy shot that is very hard and there are very few people who can play it. There is no need to either, bowlers aren't going to spend all day bowling bouncers at you, it wont happen.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2014, 09:31:28 AM »

I think the hook  shot is more dangerous and risky than it is hard to play it is also a natural shot for most left handers.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2014, 09:51:13 AM »

For me the hook is an instinct shot, i play it its one of my best shots, but its purely instinct I couldn't tell you why I play it to some balls and not others (of similar length) and most of the time after ive played it i couldn't tell you why i played it. My brother on the other hand cant play it at all. I think its just one of those shots you play or you don't. Its as hard to train some one to play the shot as its as hard to untrain. If your not a natural hooker/puller it should be left in the changing room and if you are you take the dangers that come with it. 
Get well Phil Hughes.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2014, 09:56:28 AM »

fully agree with the post from Vic

the hook is a natural thing as I have seen coaches try to coach it in to people but they are never comfortable

myself im a natural hooker and puller (may as a hockey defender im so used to balls flying passed my head on short corners it doesn't bother me as much) but I would never coach it into someone who felt uncomfortable as there is a limit to how many you can bowl at that height.

if not limit to bouncers then you could say there was an argument as that is all bowlers would do but as there is a limit they have to bowl you at least 4 in areas that are more hittable rather than risking injury playing the hook
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM »

excellent post from Vic, fully agree
playing on English pitches is completely different from Australia of course, most of us play on uncovered soggy wickets and we don't grow up playing the shot, ive tried it in the nets and got in a right mess

we can only hope there is a recovery so everything crossed.
good to see the worldwide cricket community coming out in support for Phil Hughes.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2014, 11:15:45 AM »

Poor Phil Hughes. It was just a couple of days ago that my 10 year old son and I were discussing the list of replacements for Michael Clarke. We both agreed Hughes deserved another chance. Now we can only hope he recovers well enough to play cricket again.

On the subject of helmets: when are we going to see the Masuri Samurai model introduced? Add a grille and you're good to go. Okay maybe not a metal one but the style might work (complete with personalised helmet ornament)

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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2014, 12:51:16 PM »

Very sad news this. Hope he recovers pretty soon.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2014, 01:30:12 PM »

Also I think  the ball batsman need to be wary of is the throat ball bowled in line with  the body but not short enough to hook or
duck or sway and hits  you at pace under the chin below the helmet visor.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #87 on: November 26, 2014, 10:54:29 PM »

With regards to the seriousness of Phillip Hughes' injury, there could be a case that the secondary impact(head hitting the ground) caused the more serious damage.

Often you see someone get punched and they'll lose their senses, basically be out on their feet. Obviously, like Phil, they would be seriously hurt. But when the fall results in the head hitting the ground, it compounds the injury.
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2014, 12:03:06 AM »

This is awful.

I thought they had an ambulance on standby at the ground?? Or is that only for international matches?

http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/critical-14-minute-delay-before-triple-0-was-called-after-phillip-hughes-collapsed-at-the-scg/story-fnaqgujp-1227135591700
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Re: Phil Hughes in critical condition
« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2014, 04:22:39 AM »

Bit of an update for you non AU folk as the news has been filtering over slowly to you...

"Cricketer Phillip Hughes is breathing only with the assistance of medical technology after he was struck by a bouncer that damaged a major artery in the back of his head, broadcaster Alan Jones said on Thursday morning.

Jones, a Sydney Cricket Ground trustee and a friend of the injured 25-year-old, said Thursday was a critical day in the treatment of Hughes, who is in an induced coma after suffering an injury that was "much more serious than anyone had imagined".

A clearly emotional Jones said on his 2GB radio program on Thursday that he had been told that the "neurology is very, very bad, or in the language that the layman understands, the brain is very sick".

"What happened is that the blow from the cricket ball damaged ... a major artery in the back of his head and that caused bleeding over the skull and prevented blood from going to the brain," Jones said.

"Today is a critical day. I repeat, this is much more serious than anyone imagined. Medical technology is currently breathing for him. The brain is very sick and we pray for miracles."

Genuinely made me feel sick reading this as it's starting to look really bad.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/phillip-hughes-damaged-major-artery-and-is-not-breathing-on-his-own-says-alan-jones-20141127-11v4ik.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Atwi-13omn1677-edtrl-other%3Annn-17%2F02%2F2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o%26sa%3DD%26usg%3DALhdy28zsr6qiq

And this has just made me feel incredibly angry... the BCCI still want the first test to happen. That decision lies solely with the Australian players in my book...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/indias-cricket-team-says-tour-game-against-ca-xi-and-first-test-should-proceed-despite-hughes-situation/story-e6frf3g3-1227136907954?from=public_rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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